Covid 19 Vaccine

[HaleyBaron]

Yes, unfortunately that’s a big part of what’s going to keep this virus going longer, the unvaccinated. Very efficient virus spreaders. The vaccinated get Delta, they mostly seem to have minor difficulties and live on because of the vax. The unvaccinated catch it, many live, some hospitalized, some unfortunately add to the death count.

So what are you going to do about it? I'm unvaccinated and will stay that way. Are you going to come to my door with a gun and force me to? Will you stand behind cops who may try to do that in the future?

Covid is not serious. It will never be serious. People dying are dying from unhealthy complications. People who eat fatty foods, people who live sedentary lifestyles, very old people, people who get cancer. All of this is far more deadly than covid.

From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377530/

As of 2018, the top 3 causes of death were heart disease, cancer, and accidents (Table (Table1).1). The largest percentage decline for AAMR occurred for cancer deaths (− 11.8%), and the greatest increase in AAMR occurred for deaths due to Alzheimer disease (+ 23.5%). AAMR for influenza and pneumonia (− 5.1%) and chronic lower respiratory diseases (− 6.6%) declined. Increases in AAMR due to accidental deaths (+ 22.8%) and intentional self-harm (suicide) (+ 15.4%) were observed.


Changes in Mortality Attributed to the Top 10 Causes of Death in the USA, 2011–2018
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	2011	2018	Absolute change, N	Percent change (%)	2011	2018	Absolute change in AAMR	Percent change in AAMR (%)
		Total deaths	Age-adjusted mortality rate (per 100,000 population
1. Heart disease (I00–I09, I11, I13, I20–I51)	596,577	655,381	+ 58,804	+ 9.9	173.7	163.6	− 10.1	− 5.8
2. Cancer (C00–C97)	576,691	599,274	+ 22,583	+ 3.9	169.0	149.1	− 19.9	− 11.8
3. Accidents (V01–X59, Y85–Y86)	126,438	167,127	+ 40,689	+ 32.2	39.1	48.0	+ 8.9	+ 22.8
4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases (J40–J47)	142,943	159,486	+ 16,543	+ 11.6	42.5	39.7	− 2.8	− 6.6
5. Cerebrovascular diseases (I60–I69)	128,932	147,810	+ 18,878	+ 14.6	37.9	37.1	− 0.8	− 2.1
6. Alzheimer disease (G30)	84,974	122,019	+ 37,045	43.6	24.7	30.5	+ 5.8	+ 23.5
7. Diabetes mellitus (E10–E14)	73,831	84,946	+ 11,115	+ 15.1	21.6	21.4	− 0.2	− 0.9
8. Influenza and pneumonia (J09–J18)	53,826	59,120	+ 5294	+ 9.8	15.7	14.9	− 0.8	− 5.1
9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (N00–N07, N17–N19, N25–27)	45,591	51,386	+5795	+ 12.7	13.4	12.9	− 0.5	− 3.7
10. Intentional self-harm (suicide) (U03, X60–X84, Y87.0)	39,518	48,344	+8826	+ 22.3	12.3	14.2	+ 1.9	+ 15.4

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I see the mods got a little sensitive with my passing on some truth. Hahaha
Whats the matter? Whats ACTUALLY happening to peoples health and lives a bit much for you?? Huh @billtx49

It's a bit much that people like you are allowed to endanger society and talk all this stupid stuff because it's your little "right"

 

[HaleyBaron]

Wait, he shouldn't "Be allowed talk" because he is a "danger to society"

What do you suggest should be done with him, for the good of society?

This is exactly what I was highlighting. I don't know about you, but I sense a small sense of marching with arms extended vibes from these posts of "you're a danger."

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Medical professional doing what specifically?

Direct pt. Care (among other functions). I’ll leave it at that. Don’t want anymore of a dox trail on this site than I already have.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Remember. The government always has your best interest at heart.

The Native American Women Who Fought Mass Sterilization

Over a six-year period in the 1970s, physicians sterilized perhaps 25% of Native American women of childbearing age

time.com

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Wait, he shouldn't "Be allowed talk" because he is a "danger to society"

What do you suggest should be done with him, for the good of society?

Forced vaccination or quarantine.

The same "soft laws" that allow for the rise of feminism and transgender nonsense is the same thing that allows you little anti-vax princesses to endanger everyone.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Hahahahahahaha

Send them all to their own private island. No masks required! But you can't leave either.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

You are too far gone.

This virus would be too far gone if not for anti vaxers.

Authoritarianism can be necessary in extreme circumstances. Such as a major public health crisis.

Maybe they could jail people spreading anti-vax propaganda because it's severely damaging to society.

 

[RickTheToad]

Hundreds of people are dying from COVID. Here's the kicker, they were all vaccinated. Sources:

79 fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents have died, 303 hospitalized in very rare COVID ‘breakthrough’ cases, officials say - The Boston Globe

The Department of Public Health says 0.1 percent of people in Massachusetts who have been vaccinated against the coronavirus have contracted COVID-19, a finding that highlights how important it is for people to get their shots.

www.bostonglobe.com

Nearly 30 fully vaccinated Louisiana residents have died with COVID-19

Nearly 30 people in Louisiana who received both COVID-19 vaccinations have died with the coronavirus, according to the Louisiana Department of Health.

www.wdsu.com

23 dead of COVID-19 in Shelby County in past week as delta variant spreads

The 23 COVID-related deaths in the Memphis area during the past week are overwhelmingly among people who've not yet been vaccinated.

amp.commercialappeal.com

31 fully vaccinated people have died in Tennessee, health department says

UPDATE (8/2/21) NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — The Tennessee Department of Health reports 31 fully vaccinated people have died from COVID-19. These are among the state's more than 1,000 "breakthrough" cases. These are cases in which fully vaccinated people have contracted the virus. Data is sent to...

fox17.com

Would you like to know why this may be happening? Underlying conditions. If a person is obese or heavily over weight, like the dude in the video above; that a major complication. The lungs have to work harder because the dude is so out of shape. Since this virus attacks the lungs, it's basically a recipe for disaster. COPD, diabetes, and compromised immune systems all are the underlying conditions for possible death. A healthy person who catches COVID should survive; pending any complications.

As for @EyeBRollin, well, he lives on his own dwarf planet (Pluto), so he'll be fine in his own little world of make believe. I am not political. I think both parties are cuckoo right now.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Forced vaccination or quarantine.

The same "soft laws" that allow for the rise of feminism and transgender nonsense is the same thing that allows you little anti-vax princesses to endanger everyone.

 

[RickTheToad]

****. My best friend got hooked on diazepam, quite cold Turkey and went into something I’d never heard of.
He kind of got brain damage, he went from a very high paid architect scoring tons of major league girls, to being unable to work or leave the house. Lasted 9 months and then killed himself.
I wouldn’t touch anti depressents or benzo with a bargepole

Some people do need them. However, I know (and had dated) females on two or three meds of these at the same time. Docs and people are just treating the symptoms and not the problems or issues at hand. Prob. they just just get some medical marijuana and maybe they'd be happier in their life and off the benzos.

 

[mjb3617]

This virus would be too far gone if not for anti vaxers.

What's your wisdom on why the vaccinated are contracting covid (probably spreading it as well) and dying from it?

Wasn't the vaccine supposed to prevent infection with covid if I remember correctly? Isn't a vaccine supposed to prevent a viral infection?

Seems to me the vaccine isn't working as promoted or intended. But I'm sure that's the unvaccinated people's fault?

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

What's your wisdom on why the vaccinated are contracting covid (probably spreading it as well) and dying from it?

Wasn't the vaccine supposed to prevent infection with covid if I remember correctly? Isn't a vaccine supposed to prevent a viral infection?

Seems to me the vaccine isn't working as promoted or intended. But I'm sure that's the unvaccinated people's fault?

A disease isn't much of a disease without serious symptoms.

I could post stories that >90% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated, but you'd just baselessly say it's fake.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I think the people who took the vaccine are probably feeling a bit sheepish right now, and maybe a bit scared.

If not, they should be

Why? Because even if I get the virus in me... I'd probably not even notice due to no symptoms. While if I were unvaccinated... I'd be on a ventilator.

 

[corrector]

Hundreds of people are dying from COVID. Here's the kicker, they were all vaccinated. Sources:

79 fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents have died, 303 hospitalized in very rare COVID ‘breakthrough’ cases, officials say - The Boston Globe

The Department of Public Health says 0.1 percent of people in Massachusetts who have been vaccinated against the coronavirus have contracted COVID-19, a finding that highlights how important it is for people to get their shots.

www.bostonglobe.com

Nearly 30 fully vaccinated Louisiana residents have died with COVID-19

Nearly 30 people in Louisiana who received both COVID-19 vaccinations have died with the coronavirus, according to the Louisiana Department of Health.

www.wdsu.com

23 dead of COVID-19 in Shelby County in past week as delta variant spreads

The 23 COVID-related deaths in the Memphis area during the past week are overwhelmingly among people who've not yet been vaccinated.

amp.commercialappeal.com

31 fully vaccinated people have died in Tennessee, health department says

UPDATE (8/2/21) NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — The Tennessee Department of Health reports 31 fully vaccinated people have died from COVID-19. These are among the state's more than 1,000 "breakthrough" cases. These are cases in which fully vaccinated people have contracted the virus. Data is sent to...

fox17.com

Would you like to know why this may be happening? Underlying conditions. If a person is obese or heavily over weight, like the dude in the video above; that a major complication. The lungs have to work harder because the dude is so out of shape. Since this virus attacks the lungs, it's basically a recipe for disaster. COPD, diabetes, and compromised immune systems all are the underlying conditions for possible death. A healthy person who catches COVID should survive; pending any complications.

As for @EyeBRollin, well, he lives on his own dwarf planet (Pluto), so he'll be fine in his own little world of make believe. I am not political. I think both parties are cuckoo right now.

True, but if kept in proportion to unvaccinated, it's like .1% (as what the heading of the first article says if anyone reads the paragraph).

The problem has always been about statistics. Serious side-effects are rated in various documents of being in decimal point percentages. Break-through cases are also in decimal point percentages. If it was something like 50/50% or even 10/90 that would be a big deal. The USA has 350 million people on it. Hundreds are like a handful with a population like that.

The problem with social media, grapevine, etc... you tend to hear a concentration of stories so that even something that's .1/.01% chance of happening to you will feel like a 50/50 chance of happening when it's a rare chance.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Not so fast, VaxMan.

100 vaccinated residents in Massachusetts have died of COVID: State (insiderpaper.com)

I still think those people are better off than if they weren't vaccinated.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Just to answer the questions from the “I know better than the entire gambit of medical science around the world” folks.

Covid jabs don’t stop you getting Covid
They don’t stop hospitalisations.
They rehearse your immense system so you are statistically less likely to need a hospital bed.

the majority going into hospitals are most likely jabbed. Why is this? Because there are many more jabbed than not jabbed. However, the per capita rate of jabbed entering hospitals is much lower than the unvaccinated.

once again,nobody said a jab would mean nobody ever goes into hospital. Hospitalisations are down in my country - massively. Given near 70% are double jabbed, it would be natural to see more jabbed going in to hospital than unvaccinated.

Honestly, before you form opinions on these things I would suggest a quick research of statistics. The term “per capita” is one which catches a lot of people out. It isn’t black and white, this is the problem when people who are actually educated and qualified have to explain complex terms to people who aren’t.

if you don’t have a basic grasp of these things I would just deign not to hold a strong opinion on it.

what’s actually going on is that this pandemic has removed some of your freedoms and essentially pi55ed you off. You don’t like it. So it’s more convenient to spin an elaborate conspiracy theory. Like a kid who’s grounded.

deal with it. Pandemics happen and have always happened. Nobody said that jabs would save every hospitalisation and nobody said that Covid was a killer and they were open about the 99% survival rate.

if they were covering this up and making it out to be worse than it is, why on earth would they then openly publish the survival rate? Do you think they’re stupid?

it’s not about the survival rate or the vaccine “entirely curing Covid, it’s about ICU capacity being available for the infirm and elderly .

the 99% survival rate is dependent on ICU being available. If ICU wasn’t available then it wouldn’t be a 99% survival rate.

just try to think it through.

Actually that is statistically wrong. Somewhere between 96-99% of people in hospitals in the US are unvaccinated. And that is statistically the same throughout every part of the country.

In fact most studies show that vaccines prevent lung involvement and clear the virus before it has a chance to move from the nose/throat area initially to other parts of the body.

 

[mjb3617]

A disease isn't much of a disease without serious symptoms.

I could post stories that >90% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated, but you'd just baselessly say it's fake.

You didn't answer any of the questions I asked you and served up a lame one about a disease having serious symptoms.

I'm going to ask you again, why are vaccinated people becoming infected, spreading, and dying if the vaccine they received is supposed to prevent all this? This is how the vaccines supposedly work, they prevent all this, am I right?

This is why you took the jab and think everyone who didn't is wrong? Because you were told it would prevent covid infection and symptoms.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Well, no one knows how this will turn out. I hope everyone here stays safe and we move past this

Nobody knows how the next day of your life will turn out regardless. People worrying about 20 years down the road make a lot of assumptions to get to that point.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You didn't answer any of the questions I asked you and served up a lame one about a disease having serious symptoms.

I'm going to ask you again, why are vaccinated people becoming infected, spreading, and dying if the vaccine they received is supposed to prevent all this? This is how the vaccines supposedly work, they prevent all this, am I right?

This is why you took the jab and think everyone who didn't is wrong? Because you were told it would prevent covid infection and symptoms.

It wasn't supposed to prevent it. You clearly fail to grasp that. They expected this type of stuff with the initial variant. The fact it held up so well was startling to them. The Delta variant is far worse. It still holds up very well. 96-99% of the people in hospitals from COVID are unvaccinated.

There are people who are immune compromised that the vaccine won't have much of an effect on unfortunately. That's just how it works. So while technically being vaccinated, they already knew in those people it was going to be very minimally effective.

The JnJ vaccine is far inferior to the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer/Moderna. We already knew that. I would bet the majority of vaccinated people having issues took that vaccine.

That being said people trying to claim vaccinated people are at the same risk are simply ignorant of facts and science.

New studies continue to show the vast majority of vaccinated people will have mild symptoms because the virus is contained in the nose/throat area and not allowed to spread to the lungs and other parts of the body.

But if you want to keep hanging your hat on the very low numbers of vaccinated people who are hospitalized or dying in comparison to the unvaccinated ones that are 25 to 1 more common then I guess do what makes you feel better. You simply look ignorant