"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Controlling my frame

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Hi all. So first post, unfortunately not in the circumstances I’d like, eg rushed but I’m more in the reading, research and absorption stage before throwing my situation out there.

however without creating a novel would appreciate thoughts on a conversation I’m in with a woman I’ve been seeing for 6 months.
After this I’m now trying to work out the best approach in holding my frame. Eg I’ll see you against the priorities in my life. Whilst she acknowledges my kids, if there’s other situations that transpire that I deem important to me then they take Precedent.
Want to respond in a constructive way not a inflammatory way.
Thanks
 

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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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bmp2cpm

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Not having much context, I would respond “I determine what the dealbreakers are. If you cannot respect my time, then that’s a dealbreaker.”

Honestly though…your concern for what are the wrong reasons make you look weak and less desirable to her.

You simply care too much.

She wants someone like her father. Do you think her father cared as much as you care right now?

When she was 5 and wanted to play with her father on a Monday morning, what do you think her father did?

Her father went to work and did not care he disappointed his daughter. He had stuff to do!
 

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Now he knows where he fvcked up. How can one salvage this situation? "Ok, got it. Now missy let's go over my deal breakers."
Thanks. Yes very much in the learning stage!! And agree with your sentiments
 

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Welcome to the club.
3 times she said “seeing your son is for the right reason and was comfortable with that. Say What?
I question her stability or pretense to controlling behavior, so tread carefully.
Don’t bother with a response..You already indicated what you‘re doing and don’t feed the pettiness.
Reach out to her on the weekend if YOU want to.
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Welcome to the club.
3 times she said “seeing your son is for the right reason and was comfortable with that. Say What?
I question her stability or pretense to controlling behavior, so tread carefully.
Don’t bother with a response..You already indicated what you‘re doing and don’t feed the pettiness.
Reach out to her on the weekend if YOU want to.
Yes it’s the controlling masculine statement that raised the flag for me.
 

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She sees herself as the only important one in this relationship.

Her apparently being cool with you spending time with your son is simply a concession (she doesn't want to look bad).

She is basically saying she owns you, and your time, but will let you do certain things you have to do.

There is no way talking about this will solve anything.

Simply do what you want to do and live your live the way you deem best. She will either go along with your terms or, more likely, move on as she has a dominant personality and wants a submissive man.
 

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This is why I shy away from text messaging girls. My friends and I rag on each other a lot, lots of laughs. But texting a textaholic is a gamble. Women imo tend to Bogart my syllables and go over it again and again in their mind and misconstrue a meaning. Not always but enough times for me to shy away from text convo.
I think a phone call keeps things in context.
 

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I would suggest to leave the conversation as it is. But keep in mind you will have to screen this woman even more.

What she is telling you is that she will not respect your boundaries if they do not fall into the realm of what she thinks is "right", no discussion.

I would be more vigilant if you are considering her for a long term relationship.

Of course, you can nuke her frame out of orbit with this "I'm a little bit concerned about what are the right reasons, can we talk about this in person?"
 
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do not entertain her and what her opinions may be over text.

You are telling her you aren't available for the next few days. End of Story. Do not engage her on what the right reasons are. She is giving you the benefit of her blessing when you haven't asked for it.

Leave her on read until you want to see her and re-engage her in regard to tangible meetup times and places.

Do not try to interpret emotions of a woman over text. it will just scramble your mind.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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She sounds well adjusted and her expectations are realistic. I don't see any kind of frame challenge here and I think you're reading into it too much.

Never seek approval. If you are doing your best, then that is the way it needs to be.
 
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