"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Confused nooby

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Hi there fellow Don Juan brothers,

Ok, so i'm a total nooby at this and just started to learn a few things (since yesterday lol). I have a question regarding the "Next" her decision i read about in the faq's for noobies.

Ok so it is clear to me that if in any case a girl does not show any sort of interest, like i do towords her.... then definitly "Next" her (duhhh). But what about this senario?:


I met a girl on the job, and started talking to her and taking an interest in her. Anyways as my job there was done i exchanged numbers with her ( i gave her my number and blackberry messenger number first and then she gave hers). I called her after 3 days and we had a nice laugh on the phone. After that i saw her a few more times at her workplace.

Ever since then we started texting almost everyday (i initially start the conversation most of the time), and i asked her out. Now the interesting part comes, well at least for me, being a nooby at this and all. She neither said no or yes to my request to go out but instead said this:

"I don't go out much, but my birthday is on (x) day and if i do something i will invite you to come for sure".

Now if im not mistaken, she just counter offered me. Do correct me if im wrong here.


Anyways fast forward, she decided to throw a small get together with her friends and a few co-workers. And she invited me to come just like she said. Now comes the problem tho, we were talking one time (before the party) and i asked her if she was seeing someone and she said yeah i just met this guy not to long ago and now we started dating....... and then she immediatly asks me if something was wrong and i told her that i liked her and that i would like to get to know her better. She didn't freak out or anything and was rather cool and relaxed about the hole thing.....but didn't knew what to say. She told me that she enjoys the friendship that we have and that she likes talking to me allot..... but that she doesn't want to "back stab" the other guy and that id wouldn't be nice to him or me.......which i agree with.


As a guy a who doesn't like to back out of things, i went to her party anyways. I asked her if there were something she would like for her birthday present and bought her the gift, wich wasn't anything expensive or anything......anyways i went to the party and she kinda light up when i gt there and was really happy that i came. Only thing is the other guy was there aswell, only i didn't knew who it was....... till someone made a comment which made me figure it out. Despite this, she was talking and laughing with as she normally does and was constantly walking past me and rubbing my shoulder/arms and ask me if i was having a good time. She even left the other guy standing with some people and sat right next beside me and we ate together.


Even after the party we kept texting and i would call her ocassionally to this day......and i still see her at her work sometimes when i have to go there. After this there were times when we would touch the dating topic and i asked her if i would have had a chance with her i she wasn't seeing the other guy and she said "Yes".


I felt that i should have "NEXT" her a long time ago but somehow just coudn't, i normally "NEXT" people pretty easilly and find another target........but it just didn't go that way this time around.... :S


I have a few of questions, here they are:

1. Is there any sort of interest from this girl ? (seeing that she counter offered me, even having to seeing someone else).

2. Why did she keep texting with me so long even when seeing someone else

3. Seeing that i already kept talking/texting with her for so long, should i just keep doing it or can/should i still NEXT her ?





Just a confused and eager to learn Nooby here...... thats why i posted the story.



-DJNooby-
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Sorry about the looooooong post hahaha...... it just pored out once i started explaining ^^
 

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"I don't go out much, but my birthday is on (x) day and if i do something i will invite you to come for sure".

Now if im not mistaken, she just counter offered me. Do correct me if im wrong here.
Unfortunately, no, it was not a counter-offer. It was plausible deniability. In other words, if she decided she wasn't doing anything for her birthday, if she was all free by herself, she didn't want to see you.
2. Why did she keep texting with me so long even when seeing someone else
She likes the validation of your attention. In the economics of the dating market, sex is the currency of women, attention is the currency of men.
 

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^ what he said
You are what's called an AFC (Average frustrated chump)
And

1) you made it to the Friendzone - that's the only interest.

The other guy is a convenient excuse to keep you there. If she was interested in you, he would NOT be an obstacle - you would be the obstacle for him.

3)YEP next her. Otherwise you'll get the position of emotional tampon, she will never see you in a svxual way.

At least 6 months here combined with no contact may give you a shot later down the line. But by then you won't care about her anyway. You'll be spinning too many plates :up:
 

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A counteroffer is for another time and date to meet YOU and only you, not for a get together. Same thing happened to me over the summer. No date counteroffer = no interest in dating you. I mean, she messed with that other dude the whole time you knew her and he got a lot further, right?

Don't be discouraged, it takes a little practice to read a girl's interest through signs and you'll pick it up quickly. No confusion = high interest. It really is that simple. Next her and move on to greener pastures, they ARE out there.

Welcome to SS.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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i think its always good to keep people around. The friendzone can be a way to practice on a woman you find attractive.
 

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-DJNoob- said:
Hi there fellow Don Juan brothers,

Ok, so i'm a total nooby at this and just started to learn a few things (since yesterday lol). I have a question regarding the "Next" her decision i read about in the faq's for noobies.

Ok so it is clear to me that if in any case a girl does not show any sort of interest, like i do towords her.... then definitly "Next" her (duhhh). But what about this senario?:


I met a girl on the job, and started talking to her and taking an interest in her. Anyways as my job there was done i exchanged numbers with her ( i gave her my number and blackberry messenger number first and then she gave hers). I called her after 3 days and we had a nice laugh on the phone. After that i saw her a few more times at her workplace.

Ever since then we started texting almost everyday (i initially start the conversation most of the time), and i asked her out. Now the interesting part comes, well at least for me, being a nooby at this and all. She neither said no or yes to my request to go out but instead said this:

"I don't go out much, but my birthday is on (x) day and if i do something i will invite you to come for sure".

Now if im not mistaken, she just counter offered me. Do correct me if im wrong here.


Anyways fast forward, she decided to throw a small get together with her friends and a few co-workers. And she invited me to come just like she said. Now comes the problem tho, we were talking one time (before the party) and i asked her if she was seeing someone and she said yeah i just met this guy not to long ago and now we started dating....... and then she immediatly asks me if something was wrong and i told her that i liked her and that i would like to get to know her better. She didn't freak out or anything and was rather cool and relaxed about the hole thing.....but didn't knew what to say. She told me that she enjoys the friendship that we have and that she likes talking to me allot..... but that she doesn't want to "back stab" the other guy and that id wouldn't be nice to him or me.......which i agree with.


As a guy a who doesn't like to back out of things, i went to her party anyways. I asked her if there were something she would like for her birthday present and bought her the gift, wich wasn't anything expensive or anything......anyways i went to the party and she kinda light up when i gt there and was really happy that i came. Only thing is the other guy was there aswell, only i didn't knew who it was....... till someone made a comment which made me figure it out. Despite this, she was talking and laughing with as she normally does and was constantly walking past me and rubbing my shoulder/arms and ask me if i was having a good time. She even left the other guy standing with some people and sat right next beside me and we ate together.


Even after the party we kept texting and i would call her ocassionally to this day......and i still see her at her work sometimes when i have to go there. After this there were times when we would touch the dating topic and i asked her if i would have had a chance with her i she wasn't seeing the other guy and she said "Yes".


I felt that i should have "NEXT" her a long time ago but somehow just coudn't, i normally "NEXT" people pretty easilly and find another target........but it just didn't go that way this time around.... :S


I have a few of questions, here they are:

1. Is there any sort of interest from this girl ? (seeing that she counter offered me, even having to seeing someone else).

2. Why did she keep texting with me so long even when seeing someone else

3. Seeing that i already kept talking/texting with her for so long, should i just keep doing it or can/should i still NEXT her ?





Just a confused and eager to learn Nooby here...... thats why i posted the story.



-DJNooby-
This was painful. Go NC (no contact). She will contact you and ask we out alone. Then escalate. If she doesn't respond, cut it short, bail, and round 2 of no contact. This way you take the attention away and she realizes that she has I pay a price for your valuable time.
 

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Thank you all for your advice:

@Vladpatton, man i had that counteroffer thing totally wrong hahah

@Purefilth, i hope so man :)

@Alpha, i cant lie man it was messed up.

Well NEXT it is, hahaha. Think im gonna learn allot from this forum :D
 
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