"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Conflicting opinions

RogueWarrior

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Okay so get this:

I have a male friend mid-40s who told me how women want a challenge and how to go about it long before I ever discovered this forum. He is married (to an HB9) and has 5 kids.

I also have a female friend (early 40s) who I've known since high-school, who is married and has two kids who tells me women want you to tell them how you feel about them.

So since neither one of them has an axe to grind, who is right? Why would my female friend say this if it were bullsh*t?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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lYlasTer

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You're new to this so I'm going to save you a lot of trouble. When you want women advice, you ask MEN that gets women, you don't ask women.

Why?

Women don't know what they're talking about. Her MIND says she wants a guy that tells his feelings for her, her BODY wants a man that's a challenge.

TRUST ME ON THIS go with guy #1's advices over the female friend.
 

Victory Unlimited

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Yo RogueWarrior,


I think that BOTH people may be telling you THEIR version of the truth. I think that despite some of the rigid rules you hear about on forums like these, we should always pay attention to exactly WHAT type of mate we have.

Some people, depending on their personality, their level of self-esteem, and their DEMONSTRATED level of commitment to the other person, need MORE "challenge" or "reassurance" than others.

The mistake we sometimes make by holding on to certain "DJ Rules" too tightly is that we can miscalibrate and miscalculate WHAT strategies to use with the different people we become involved with.
 

Nighthawk

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You can be a challenge and also be honest about how you feel. The mistake is feeling 'love' for someone who hasn't earned it.
 

Hitman10000

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lYlasTer said:
You're new to this so I'm going to save you a lot of trouble. When you want women advice, you ask MEN that gets women, you don't ask women.

Why?

Women don't know what they're talking about. Her MIND says she wants a guy that tells his feelings for her, her BODY wants a man that's a challenge.

TRUST ME ON THIS go with guy #1's advices over the female friend.
While I think your opinion has some validation, both women and men will give disparaging advice on how to approach a romantic situation. One woman will suggest that you give flowers on the first date, Another man will tell you to not call her an entire week after getting her number. If you want the best advice, listen to everyone's then find the "average" and try to work your own ways of thinking that parallels that advice.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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