"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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concocted an idea to take it slower, it backfired

pete101

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a girl im seeing who said i was moving too fast, told me this story about her male friend who she has a bet with that she'll give him $100 if she sees him with a latin girl by the end of the year and vice versa if hes not. anyway, i played on this bet when i saw her today that i'd give her $100 if i tried anything from kiss closing and above, she seemed too excited by this bet that it made me realised it was a stupid idea cos she behaves like a girl who has low IL/is seeing someone or has a bf.

she won't let me kiss close her, when we parted ways today she was moving away from me afraid i was trying to kiss her again, this makes me feel bad cos its like im getting rejected and friendzoned. i told her the bets off cos it was a stupid idea, i was just trying to show her i was patient and willing to wait till she was ready.

is she just trying or friendzoning me and this bet works in her favor cos now i wont attempt to touch her? (even tho she will attempt to tempt me into trying to kiss her)

i feel like im getting played. today wasnt a date, she was just chilling in a cafe using the internet so i came down by her to sit and talk with her, i should have left before she did, i knew it was a mistake when she said she was leaving i left too. i have this in my mind that she was going off to get fvcked and im a pu$$yhole who's offered her a situation where i wont touch her which seems like what she wants (she suggested no touching or hugging is allowed) i was like 'fvck no'

i even got too ****y saying like 'i know on some level u want to kiss me..' shes like 'oh really??' which makes me think she doesnt.. and also 'i know deep down you're attracted to me..' and shes like 'really.. am i?' are these typical responses you're likely to get from a girl or she's likely to do the opposite just to prove me wrong? i.e. not like me.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Wait WHAT? You bet with a girl that you and her are kissing before the end of the year for $100? Dude, what the hell? Are you retarded or what? Obviously she isn't going to let you kiss her, because it'll get her 100 bucks.

You showed her with your actions that you're going AFC. A real man speaks with actions, not words. And by telling this to her, you basically just displayed MAJOR interest in her, and all she now have to do is exploit that. Going all 'I know you want to kiss me / like me' on a girl after you bet with HER that you will kiss HER before the end of the year just confirms your interest in her.

Those 2 lines might work on a girl that is showing interest, but she just managed to reverse the roles on you.

Also a pro-tip when writing on the forums: Please use capitals(pressing the SHIFT key isn't that difficult) and write proper English too please. Drop the whole 'u' thing, it's annoying to read.
 

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pete101 said:
a girl im seeing who said i was moving too fast, told me this story about her male friend who she has a bet with that she'll give him $100 if she sees him with a latin girl by the end of the year and vice versa if hes not. anyway, i played on this bet when i saw her today that i'd give her $100 if i tried anything from kiss closing and above, she seemed too excited by this bet that it made me realised it was a stupid idea cos she behaves like a girl who has low IL/is seeing someone or has a bf.

she won't let me kiss close her, when we parted ways today she was moving away from me afraid i was trying to kiss her again, this makes me feel bad cos its like im getting rejected and friendzoned. i told her the bets off cos it was a stupid idea, i was just trying to show her i was patient and willing to wait till she was ready.

is she just trying or friendzoning me and this bet works in her favor cos now i wont attempt to touch her? (even tho she will attempt to tempt me into trying to kiss her)

i feel like im getting played. today wasnt a date, she was just chilling in a cafe using the internet so i came down by her to sit and talk with her, i should have left before she did, i knew it was a mistake when she said she was leaving i left too. i have this in my mind that she was going off to get fvcked and im a pu$$yhole who's offered her a situation where i wont touch her which seems like what she wants (she suggested no touching or hugging is allowed) i was like 'fvck no'

i even got too ****y saying like 'i know on some level u want to kiss me..' shes like 'oh really??' which makes me think she doesnt.. and also 'i know deep down you're attracted to me..' and shes like 'really.. am i?' are these typical responses you're likely to get from a girl or she's likely to do the opposite just to prove me wrong? i.e. not like me.
Oh gawd, you are not even in the FZ. She is telling you sixteen ways to go away. Take a hint, son and open your eyes to the obvious..
 

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SandHawk said:
Wait WHAT? You bet with a girl that you and her are kissing before the end of the year for $100? Dude, what the hell? Are you retarded or what? Obviously she isn't going to let you kiss her, because it'll get her 100 bucks.

You showed her with your actions that you're going AFC. A real man speaks with actions, not words. And by telling this to her, you basically just displayed MAJOR interest in her, and all she now have to do is exploit that. Going all 'I know you want to kiss me / like me' on a girl after you bet with HER that you will kiss HER before the end of the year just confirms your interest in her.

Those 2 lines might work on a girl that is showing interest, but she just managed to reverse the roles on you.

Also a pro-tip when writing on the forums: Please use capitals(pressing the SHIFT key isn't that difficult) and write proper English too please. Drop the whole 'u' thing, it's annoying to read.
no u dont get it.. because she said i was moving too fast and she thinks im not interested in her and only after 1 thing i came up with this idea that IF i try to kiss her or more i'll give her $100, it was a stupid idea for me to demonstrate i was interested in her cos i attempted a kiss close at the end of our last date and it wasn't the right time and i hadn't built rapport.

she already knows my interest in her, i may already be in the friendzone.. she may be only seeing me 1 on 1 next time cos she likes the attention and good feeling she gets, but if i run enough game on her i should be able to reignite her attraction for me that has dwindled.

to me shes giving me 2nd chances to do it tho she may just like the attention, its better than her telling me no and cancelling on me not giving me the opportunity to snare her.

i rather she gave me the opportunity than didn't. it's just down to me to charm her, but i have no idea how to be now all this has passed.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Read the bible man it seems like you need a lot of work on reading a girls actions, IOI's, etc.
 
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