Competitive social system vs. altruistic social system (aka "red pill" vs "blue pill"). How do you balance?

[MtmVaott]

So, first explanations about the terms:

Competititive social system
= A society where there is competition about the resources between the members of the society. The competition means someone wins, someone else loses. Because the winner gets most of the competed resource, the resources are distributed very uneven. Winners tend to win more, losers tend to lose more and more or stay put down. Since there are no formal hierarchical structures (like classes), the hierarchy is marked more covertly. For example (luxury) goods, clothes, sexual attractivity (yes, that's a resource, too), real estate, moral attitude, and so on. I forgot attention and recognition, also very important. So, essentially very superficial and materialistic.
Surprise, surprise: It's contemporary western society!

Altruistic social system
= A society where everybody works hand in hand to increase the amount of resources they have. If there is competition, it is directed to the outside of the group, i.e. against other, different groups. There is no concept of "worth of a human being". Existence is enough, and cooperation is paramount. If two individuals are in conflict, a solution is searched that both can live with and which is best for the thriving of whole society.

So, you see, the competitive system is revealed by the red pill to "Nice Guys", living in the altruistic social system (aka blue pill world).

However, my observation is that only insecure people walk in the two extremes. Most are not overly ambitious, nor altruistic, so they can both assert themselves at the cost of others and are able to give if they see fit. (Edit: Not most people, then most people could be walking on water. You get what I'm saying, most people aren't snake oil sellers nor priests)

I'm interested in how you make the balance.
Also, how you reached the balance. Looking forward to your answers.

 

[Reincarnated]

Accumulate resources to the point where you can afford to give back (both financially and with your time) on your terms, and to the causes that you believe are worthy. There is nothing virtuous about being overly altruistic. Be an active voice in your community, and fight (not literally) when necessary.

Many of the people I respect the most (albeit often older gentlemen) are guys who ascended to high posts in the business world or in other organizations, and were exceedingly charitable once they got there, and no they aren't just charitable for tax purposes.

I take issue with the phrase "existence is enough", I can't pinpoint exactly why, but I just cant comprehend how someone could live that way. It seems to be that an individual or society gets itself into more trouble when it's not competitive enough as opposed to being overly competitive.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Nobody would ever work hand in hand completely. It's not in human nature to do that. Or at least not for a good percentage of the population who would end up ruining it.

 

[MtmVaott]

I take issue with the phrase "existence is enough", I can't pinpoint exactly why, but I just cant comprehend how someone could live that way. It seems to be that an individual or society gets itself into more trouble when it's not competitive enough as opposed to being overly competitive.

This is a christian view on life. God loves everybody, and everybody carries the holy spirit. And Jesus died for you, unconditionally.
Christian teaching had a formative influence on me, guess it was the only positive influence I got at that time.

 

[EyeBRollin]

There are enough material resources in the world for everyone in 2023. It is unevenly distributed because of geopolitics. Problem with modern capitalism is we don’t have a communal goal these days.

War and the space race are good for business. Denial of climate change is caused by oil industry lobbying to protect their profits despite better energy sources.

 

[MtmVaott]

Nobody would ever work hand in hand completely. It's not in human nature to do that. Or at least not for a good percentage of the population who would end up ruining it.

Exactly, I agree to both. That's why I want to become more real who I am and be OK to get what I want at the expense of others. I know it sounds quite extreme 'at the cost of others', but even not to volunteer help or information so freely is at the others cost

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Exactly, I agree to both. That's why I want to become more real who I am and be OK to get what I want at the expense of others. I know it sounds quite extreme 'at the cost of others', but even not to volunteer help or information so freely is at the others cost

Well...it depends on what you are talking about. In a work environment you need to be careful going to that extreme.

If you do it, you would need to ensure you are still likeable and not looked at as a Dbag that's only out for himself.

Those are many times the people who get passed over for promotions because while they are a great performer, they fail at the people element of the promotion...nobody would want to work for them.

 

[MtmVaott]

So how to test and practice the extreme?
You have to overstep the line of being tolerable, to know where the line is.

 

[Reincarnated]

This is a christian view on life. God loves everybody, and everybody carries the holy spirit. And Jesus died for you, unconditionally.
Christian teaching had a formative influence on me, guess it was the only positive influence I got at that time.

I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic and while the unconditional redeeming power of the Lord is the central thesis of our faith, I would argue that merely "existing" when it is in your own power to contribute more, is in and of itself almost sinful. There's a fine line, but I honestly couldn't tell you where that line is.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I'm a lifelong practicing Catholic and while the unconditional redeeming power of the Lord is the central thesis of our faith, I would argue that merely "existing" when it is in your own power to contribute more, is in and of itself almost sinful. There's a fine line, but I honestly couldn't tell you where that line is.

The Catholic doctrine is full of hypocritical teachings to the point it's almost a cult.

Love everyone...except if they don't believe exactly what we tell you and then they are going to hell!

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Even if you redistribute wealth, without a fundamental change to the politics behind the system, the same people are going to end up with all the resources again.

Look no further than China, even they have Billionaires and they often "Disappear" for months on end without explanation, look at Russia... I'll link the articles below, point is you cannot out-regulate the individual without the aid of serious Authoritarianism, you just can't, the red tape in the government, the bureaucracy, it's far too slow and not reactive enough to deal with capitalism, they need months to regulate things, people are becoming millionaires overnight today.

This is why in the current global climate, we are far behind, Putin and Xi Jinping can make choices on the fly without the process of beauocracy, we can't do that, they don't have this tug-of-war between political parties where we are spending half the parties term simply undoing what the last party did purely put of spite.. Modelling for time, our system is going to be out paced and eventually out-gunned, it is inevitable and this isn't even taking into account the subversion these Authoritarianist countries are employing against us.

Why Russia’s Onetime Richest Man Won’t See A Penny Of The $50 Billion Putin ‘Destroyed’

Mikhail Khodorkovsky saw his money, power and influence stripped by the Russian state. Despite the majority shareholders of his oil giant Yukos being awarded $50 billion at The Hague this week, the former oligarch won’t receive a penny.

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Why China's billionaires keep disappearing

Here's why China's billionaires keep going missing, and how the crackdown on the country's billionaire class has been affecting the world's second largest economy.

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