Cold Approach Paradox

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Women are like bloodhounds. They can sniff out a man who is needy and desperate. They can also sniff out a man who isn’t.

If a woman sees you as the latter, approaching her is a compliment to her. She will feel as if you are selecting her above all of the others, hence why approaching women can be highly effective if you’re capable of it.

The problem with most PUAs is that they seldom convey this very well, most likely because it is just an act or a routine or a behavioral blueprint, rather than a genuine act of interest. A woman will sense he does it all of the time with any woman the “PUA” sees. There is nothing special about it. Any woman will do. Hence, a man can appear very needy and desperate even when he’s trying so hard to be smooth and nonchalant.

PUA = fake it till you make it.

A DJ is already a made man.
Agree with most of this.

The dj part is questionable at best.

There's threads for eons of men chasing cratered SMV, single moms,and old ladies who jumped off the d/carousel.


A lot of guys are soft as ****.
 
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In directly starting a conversation with someone who looks interesting to you is not desperate to me. Street approaching i see in videos one after another can look a bit weird.
High end food outlets are great places to start conversations. Ask were an ingredient is. Chatty elderly ladies love to talk recipes. Lol
Ask about something your looking for and you should know within 10-20 secs if that question can turn into a conversation.
Maybe even less then that.
Its only weird if you made it weird.

The problem now a days is that, most of the people in pickup and selling crap have no business doing so. The assumed authority and game is a joke at best.

I am sure there's a better way. Thus far, pickup is a better route than waiting for women 30+ after the cawk carousel. Finds Jesus as a single mom and post wall. Better than OLD low hanging fruit.

Even then its time consuming. If a lifetime of game is not a indicator, then seeing a dude dtive across America trying to find happily ever after is telling.

There's no magic bullet nor easy path. The baseline social standards are cucked.
 

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Its only weird if you made it weird.

The problem now a days is that, most of the people in pickup and selling crap have no business doing so. The assumed authority and game is a joke at best.

I am sure there's a better way. Thus far, pickup is a better route than waiting for women 30+ after the cawk carousel. Finds Jesus as a single mom and post wall. Better than OLD low hanging fruit.

Even then its time consuming. If a lifetime of game is not a indicator, then seeing a dude dtive across America trying to find happily ever after is telling.

There's no magic bullet nor easy path. The baseline social standards are cucked.
Things have changed for sure. The simplified version for me is to get out and have fun. People are interesting and convos just seem to find you.
 

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In directly starting a conversation with someone who looks interesting to you is not desperate to me.
According to Amante Silvestre if you are too girl-hungry and don't have any options at all then you'll be subcommunicating or vibing off all sorts of desperate vibes and will feel like she's doing you a favour for even being polite with you enough not to outrightly ignore you or call the police for harassment.
 

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According to Amante Silvestre if you are too girl-hungry and don't have any options at all then you'll be subcommunicating or vibing off all sorts of desperate vibes and will feel like she's doing you a favour for even being polite with you enough not to outrightly ignore you or call the police for harassment.
I'm certain that's not exactly what he meant.
 
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Things have changed for sure. The simplified version for me is to get out and have fun. People are interesting and convos just seem to find you.
Puller mate, you said it. The mark isnt mpua or dj. Anybody who tells you that thry figured it all out is a snake oil salesman like tai lopez. There's no magic pill.

Fun, self amusement, going through the fire, and going out on your shield is GOAT STATUS. Speaking and living your truth is of the utmost importance. Its why full blown war must be taken on censorship. If you don't speak your truth, you won't live it. Its women pedaling censorship and victimhood.

All on all there's no ambiguity. People are either with you or against you. Men are governed by self interest and by default are low in agreeableness. Much of the mansophere is at odds rather than a cohesive group that agrees to disagree. Agsin. Low in agreeableness to the point of conflict. Women are higher in agreeableness, prone to victimhood, mental health, and cucks simp to the cause.

Even if the collapse happens, the government folds, women have shown their true nature. At best, relationships among the men and women are a rental at best.

Not your girl just your turn says it all. And yet men will be sacrificial lambs. Allocate decades of resources and sexual access. The gold standard is a woman gets kids, gets fat and cuts off her husband.

This is what guys play Russian roulette with? A fat wife and plough horse. 80 hr work weeks.


No better time to be a bachelor. Even someone like RooshV with a life time and books on game cannot land his ideal. Not a slight on RooshV but a point of view of the SMP in the modern era.

Picked up a chick the other night. Ran into her with her man the next day. #cuck

So beta male cuck is in cherish. Meanwhile she's getting her **** pushed in. Guys are trying to play house. Lulz
 

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Didn't I told you to do a simple test and ask ur girlfriend zekko, have you ?
I don't usually discuss seduction material with her lol. But anyway, it's a tricky question, the answer would depend on how it's phrased.
For instance, I agree women are better and more natural seducers than men are. On the other hand, there's no trick to seducing a man, it isn't difficult. If the girl is pretty, a guy will likely respond.

Yeah, the girl may "accidentally" brush up against a guy, or drop something so he can pick it up, or bend over in front of him or whatnot. But she's doing that because she expects him to make the first move, since he's the aggressor and she is not.

I agree a girl will pursue a guy if he is a top guy or a guy out of her league. Men also like girls out of their league. That's how you end up with the classic "Guy likes girl, but girl likes another guy, but that guy doesn't know she exists" situation. Plus a lot of guys will approach but lack the nerves to make the first move. That's how girls collect orbiters, as all these guys get stuck in the friendzone. Many of them inadvertently placed themselves there.

So who is seducing who is not necessarily a cut and dried answer. But generally the woman's beauty is the bait and the man will respond to that. He is usually expected to make the first move, at least the first overt move, such as asking for a number. Then if the girl is interested, she will likely do the majority of the chasing. You disagree with that?
 

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Puller mate, you said it. The mark isnt mpua or dj. Anybody who tells you that thry figured it all out is a snake oil salesman like tai lopez. There's no magic pill.

Fun, self amusement, going through the fire, and going out on your shield is GOAT STATUS. Speaking and living your truth is of the utmost importance. Its why full blown war must be taken on censorship. If you don't speak your truth, you won't live it. Its women pedaling censorship and victimhood.

All on all there's no ambiguity. People are either with you or against you. Men are governed by self interest and by default are low in agreeableness. Much of the mansophere is at odds rather than a cohesive group that agrees to disagree. Agsin. Low in agreeableness to the point of conflict. Women are higher in agreeableness, prone to victimhood, mental health, and cucks simp to the cause.

Even if the collapse happens, the government folds, women have shown their true nature. At best, relationships among the men and women are a rental at best.

Not your girl just your turn says it all. And yet men will be sacrificial lambs. Allocate decades of resources and sexual access. The gold standard is a woman gets kids, gets fat and cuts off her husband.

This is what guys play Russian roulette with? A fat wife and plough horse. 80 hr work weeks.


No better time to be a bachelor. Even someone like RooshV with a life time and books on game cannot land his ideal. Not a slight on RooshV but a point of view of the SMP in the modern era.

Picked up a chick the other night. Ran into her with her man the next day. #cuck

So beta male cuck is in cherish. Meanwhile she's getting her **** pushed in. Guys are trying to play house. Lulz
A lot of truth to that bro. I had a girl call me saturday night to try to get me to meet up. I could not make and she pushed hard for it.

She's married, not saying im going to fck her. Im with someone too but it just solidifies a lot of my beliefs. They are always in the game.
I dont say i love you anymore.
I dont say i miss you.
I dont say im sorry.
Valuable women in their nature dont see things the same as men. They will say those things but we know not to listen to it. ACTIONS.
I say those things in other ways. Its redpill and needs to be said.
I always say that WW3 isn't between bombs and guns but men against women. Lol
 

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I read your post and skimmed through the replies
You're right that women are attracted to non-needy guys who have a lot of options, and that's exactly why cold approaching works. The guy who can talk to a random girl without fear DOES HAVE a lot of options, if she is not interested, he will move on to the next target. He is not needy.

Where else is a guy supposed to meet women? apps are for needy guys who are scared of a face to face encounter.
 

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I read your post and skimmed through the replies
You're right that women are attracted to non-needy guys who have a lot of options, and that's exactly why cold approaching works. The guy who can talk to a random girl without fear DOES HAVE a lot of options, if she is not interested, he will move on to the next target. He is not needy.

Where else is a guy supposed to meet women? apps are for needy guys who are scared of a face to face encounter.
Good Post.
 
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PUAs make two very contradictory claims

1) Cold approach is the best way to meet women.
2) Women are attracted to men who are non-needy, non-desparate and have lots of options

Both of these statements cannot be true. Can you think of a better way to project desperation and lack of options than approaching a complete stranger on the street? I can't.
My personal opinion:

1) Cold approach is the ONLY way to meet women. This means you're gonna have to embrace repeated failures, rejections, etc.

It is best for me to believe that there is NEVER a warm approach. Even if I have a 12-inch d1ck or even if even if I'm the richest or most famous or come highly recommended via the social circle. I never expect it to be easy.

2) This is true but not 100% true but even more importantly you shouldn't let this stop you because in my opinion all human beings are capable of feeling needy and desparate.
 
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PUAs make two very contradictory claims

1) Cold approach is the best way to meet women.
2) Women are attracted to men who are non-needy, non-desparate and have lots of options

Both of these statements cannot be true. Can you think of a better way to project desperation and lack of options than approaching a complete stranger on the street? I can't.
Man's got two things, his brain and his balls. And this reads like a lobotomized eunuch.

Why don't you do it and find out for yourself? Crazy idea right?
 

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A lot of truth to that bro. I had a girl call me saturday night to try to get me to meet up. I could not make and she pushed hard for it.

She's married, not saying im going to fck her. Im with someone too but it just solidifies a lot of my beliefs. They are always in the game.
I dont say i love you anymore.
I dont say i miss you.
I dont say im sorry.
Valuable women in their nature dont see things the same as men. They will say those things but we know not to listen to it. ACTIONS.
I say those things in other ways. Its redpill and needs to be said.
I always say that WW3 isn't between bombs and guns but men against women. Lol
Not slight @ Amante. I disagree with him on war. All is fair in love and war.

The chick i mentioned is on top form SMV 18-23. The targeted demographic. Technically, never cheated but is lookin up. I am deezed. I am on the come up. Red pill aware, black pilled at marriage and monogamy + playing house. Her man is not a bad lookin dude but got soft. Flabby around mid section and she's looking. Hypergamy never sleeps.

Not my girl. Just my turn lulz.

In the past 2yrs, I've lost count of married women targeting me. I get hate from older post wall and epiphany phase. I represent what they had as a 'hit and run' before settling down with a beta cuck provider. Women are savage as ****kkk.

Quite honestly i have disregard for a significant amount of women. I am disgusted and grossed out.

Dudes get complacent as ****kkk. Even after a decade +/- of pickup, I am still learning. The culture and women have changed and for the worst.

Check Aaron Clarey youtube and bachelor pad economics out. Buddy had a recent vblog on whether or not he believes women actually love a man. I don't. Men serve her purpose and she cucks. Women are opportunistic vultures.

No better time to be a bachelor and to chase excellence. Puller mate, this is purely a game for sport. Good luck to anybody man who seeks a trad LTR. RooshV cannot get it. SMP is a nightmare. 2019 year is a joke.

Shoot from the hip. Guns blazing. Smash or next. Repeat. I lead she follows or next. Hotter girls are turning 18 everyday.

Insert troll meme right hurrrrr
 

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I will say the best way it's social network to get women. But Not everyone has a large social network.

I rely in Cold Aproaching
Rsd luke is pedaling that **** and is fat as ****kkk. I miss the old rsd where game recognizes game. Julien was a neanderthal power bombing sloot in the bar and getting kicked off planet earth by fat feminists slobs.

I am not saying don't network. I am saying, big ups on actually approaching. 100% of dudes don't (anybody else that does it is a outlier; percent so low, it doesn't make up 1%).

I blame low testosterone.
 
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My personal opinion:

1) Cold approach is the ONLY way to meet women. This means you're gonna have to embrace repeated failures, rejections, etc.

It is best for me to believe that there is NEVER a warm approach. Even if I have a 12-inch d1ck or even if even if I'm the richest or most famous or come highly recommended via the social circle. I never expect it to be easy.

2) This is true but not 100% true but even more importantly you shouldn't let this stop you because in my opinion all human beings are capable of feeling needy and desparate.
+ 1 espi mate, you said it.

Cold approach separates the men from the boys. A lot of betas will do roids, posture, finance a bmw over 10yrs lol, and front. Can't approach.

I am strike out king via cold approach but, i hit ****ing dingers. Grand slams in the middle of the week just because i know i can. I remember skull ****ing a sloot on a Monday night and a parkin lot throater with a new chick the next week.

Its hilarious too. Feminism has women thinking being a train wreck and Crater SMV is empowering.


The biggest troll job ever is running into women from the past. God trolls women harder than you ever could. Bulking season, fat as ****kkk, multiple kids diff baby daddy, and victimhood on tren.

Meanwhile, hotter girls are turning 18 19 20 21 every day.



Take that hypergamy.
 

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PUAs make two very contradictory claims

1) Cold approach is the best way to meet women.
2) Women are attracted to men who are non-needy, non-desparate and have lots of options

Both of these statements cannot be true. Can you think of a better way to project desperation and lack of options than approaching a complete stranger on the street? I can't.
Before saying that, apply plate theory.

And if you got any doubts using cold approach, try it on the field and see what happens. then come back and tell us
 

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Both of these statements cannot be true. Can you think of a better way to project desperation and lack of options than approaching a complete stranger on the street? I can't.
Why would you even want a woman who thinks that only a disgusting loser would dare to approach her? Either she has critical self esteem issues or thinks she's a princess that doesn't deserve being subjected to mingling with dirty commoners.

The problem with most PUAs is that they seldom convey this very well, most likely because it is just an act or a routine or a behavioral blueprint, rather than a genuine act of interest. A woman will sense he does it all of the time with any woman the “PUA” sees. There is nothing special about it. Any woman will do. Hence, a man can appear very needy and desperate even when he’s trying so hard to be smooth and nonchalant.
I feel like practiced PUA tactics would probably display the opposite issue, if you get used to mechanically approaching and using canned lines on any pretty girl you see, instead of desperation you'll end up oozing apathy and make her feel like you couldn't possibly care less about her or anything she says if you tried.
 

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I feel like practiced PUA tactics would probably display the opposite issue, if you get used to mechanically approaching and using canned lines on any pretty girl you see, instead of desperation you'll end up oozing apathy and make her feel like you couldn't possibly care less about her or anything she says if you tried.
Not approaching at all gives off the very same message. You don’t have to practice that at all.

As far as Im concerned, this whole idea of “not caring” is primarily best served as a reaction, not an upfront and concentrated effort to make a woman think something about you.

I have no issues with a woman knowing I find her interesting in ways better than other women. The “ I don’t care if I lose you (or if I don’t get you) attitude comes out when they do things I don’t like.
 
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