"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Coffee Meeting

Double J

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To make the story short:

Came across this girl online who graduated from the same high school as me, just a year after. We never met in person at that time but saw each other around. Smart girl, pretty cute. Exchanged pics - both liked each other's. Seems lo lean towards the conservative side (Doesn't talk about sex, returns calls but usually doesn't call me first).

Last week she invited me to some cultural event that her dad's company was hosting or something and she invited me early in the week (Wed) and it would take place Fri. On Friday the weather was horrible, and when she finally called to tell me she was at the place, it was 9:30 and the place was closing in an hour or so so I told her it'd be pointless. We agreed to go out the next day.

I called her and she didn't pick up and so I left her a message. Later online she IMs me saying she called me back and it went directly to my voicemail, but I never received a call from her. So either she was lying or it was one of those rare instances when two people call you at the same time or someone calls when you're making another phone call.

Today, Friday, I told her I needed to do a lot of reading over the weekend and I'd be at Starbucks on sunday and I wanted her to join me. She said "maybe" because that's the time she usually wakes up. I busted on her and said I wasn't going to take no for an answer. We had some laughs and what not, and the convo ended with her saying maybe and that we'd talk later.

I think I did the right thing - I had plans and I told her to tag along and I made it clear that I wasn't going to take excuses. I know that if she's interested, she'll wake up on time to go.

If it just so happens that she doesn't show up, would you NEXT a girl in a scenario like this, given what has happened in retrospect?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Andromax

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Yeah man, if she dont show up next her.


Her IL seems to have slipped... Perhaps you just "tried" too hard..

Its always better to be in that stage with atleast 2 or 3 different girls, your likelihood with success with any of them grows exponentially.

Either way, good learning experience, evaluate what all you think you did wrong and learn from it.
 

Desdinova

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I don't think I'd next her immediately. She didn't give you a "yes" to meeting you up at Starbux. Give her one more shot and if she turns that down, then NEXT her.
 

Wiesman44

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possibly u just need to build IL. Get her to go at a time thats convenient for her and then see what happens. I sure as hell woudlnt want to wake up earlier than usual just for a date. I'm not a morning person. Give her another shot.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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DeathDealer

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Seems like a blowoff to me from this girl. Would've try again in a couple of days. But you called the next day. She's trying to be some sort of challenge, btw.
 

MrHarris

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No I would not!

Why?

Because I have had numerous occasions where people have called me and my phone did not ring, but when to voice mail and the beep would alert me of a new voice mail. And I would be sitting right next to the phone and it NEVER rang!

She took the iniative to invite you to her fathers event. That shows some interest.

Some fish are just a bit harder to land.
 

luv_ya_amj

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Originally posted by MrHarris
No I would not!

Why?

Because I have had numerous occasions where people have called me and my phone did not ring, but when to voice mail and the beep would alert me of a new voice mail. And I would be sitting right next to the phone and it NEVER rang!

She took the iniative to invite you to her fathers event. That shows some interest.

Some fish are just a bit harder to land.
Yup Double J, this is very true...

I can relate to the "cell-phone-not-doin'-it's-freakin'-job" thang...plus, I (and others) are just harder "fish" to land...

Try again and dust yourself off if she just doesn't give a ----
 

stalluproar

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If she doesn't show, I would act like I nexted her, but leave the door open if she calls you, begs to see you, dresses nice, gives you a massage. Then it is on.
 
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