"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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timmylivingalie

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Most of the chicks I talk with work in stores, gas stations, or are waitresses. What I am wondering about is how often I should go into the businesses they work in without seeming needy or worse? Once a week?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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This sounds like an awful idea in general. First off, these women are broke.

Avoid broke, avoid hardluck. There are exceptions, but this is a standard to live by.

Why don't you focus on women that are healthy, lively, attractive and smart. These are women that take care of themselves and have the money to do so. Yoga classes, bootcamps, paddle boarding lessons, dancing lessons, shoppers at wholefoods...whatever.

If you're really set on these service women, go in when you want to...Pump gas when you have to and grab her number and get out. Go eat your cheeseburger when you're hungry, get her number and get out...

Right? Does that sound too obvious? Then you're an idiot.
 

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Digitz said:
This sounds like an awful idea in general. First off, these women are broke.

Avoid broke, avoid hardluck. There are exceptions, but this is a standard to live by.

Why don't you focus on women that are healthy, lively, attractive and smart. These are women that take care of themselves and have the money to do so. Yoga classes, bootcamps, paddle boarding lessons, dancing lessons, shoppers at wholefoods...whatever.

If you're really set on these service women, go in when you want to...Pump gas when you have to and grab her number and get out. Go eat your cheeseburger when you're hungry, get her number and get out...

Right? Does that sound too obvious? Then you're an idiot.
Dont have the time or funds for luxuries like that.
 

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timmylivingalie said:
Most of the chicks I talk with work in stores, gas stations, or are waitresses. What I am wondering about is how often I should go into the businesses they work in without seeming needy or worse? Once a week?
Go in when you're hungry, when you need gas. As a regular, they will remember you but not give a shiit about you.

Strike when the iron is hot. first or second time seeing her max.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Digitz said:
Why don't you focus on women that are healthy, lively, attractive and smart. These are women that take care of themselves and have the money to do so. Yoga classes, bootcamps, paddle boarding lessons, dancing lessons, shoppers at wholefoods...whatever.
Because these women are usually MARRIED and often seen (in my neighborhood, anyway) driving strollers.
 

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Move to where the single girls live.

This is probably the single best thing you can do outside of learning game in the first place.
 

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If I go into a store bust on the chick working there she gets attracted to me and we have good rapport. How long should I wait before returning to the store? Is all Im wondering. Dont see why I am being attacked for asking that?
 

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Because you shouldn't be hitting on broads while they're working. Hit on women who aren't paid to be nice to you. I don't see why that's so difficult to understand.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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You should get the number right then and there. ALWAYS STRIKE WHILE THE IRON IS HOT.

Don't listen to zarky, he's advocating what amounts to a self limitation that he might place on himself and thinks you should too. Some people try to impose their values onto others, and the best thing to do is ignore them when they do so.
 

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It's funny yet sad that guys can't see what colossal sad-sacks they are when they can only hit on women who are forced to be nice to customers because they'll get fired if they're not.

How can you fail to see the utterly pathetic nature of hitting on women who HAVE to interact with you and who have to be nice to you as well? How can you not understand that? Does everyone here have an IQ of 93 or something?

Any pretty girl who's in customer service has the biggest shield you can ever imagine. It's not a "b*tch shield" because they have to be nice to you or they'll get fired. But it's a shield nonetheless. And it's huge, so huge that it's an utter waste of everyone's time for you to bother with it.

Do you guys have absolutely zero experience with women? I do not understand how you can fail to understand this fact.

By all means, go to a mall and hit on every retail girl in the place. See what happens. Yes, you might get a number, and you might even get a date. But the percentages are so low that you'll have more luck approaching random women in the street.

And besides that... it's pathetic. The girl HAS to talk with you. Are you kidding me? Your seduction skill-set is so piss-poor that you can only "approach" women who have no choice but to engage with you? This place is so depressing.
 

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Zarky said:
It's funny yet sad that guys can't see what colossal sad-sacks they are when they can only hit on women who are forced to be nice to customers because they'll get fired if they're not.

How can you fail to see the utterly pathetic nature of hitting on women who HAVE to interact with you and who have to be nice to you as well? How can you not understand that? Does everyone here have an IQ of 93 or something?

Any pretty girl who's in customer service has the biggest shield you can ever imagine. It's not a "b*tch shield" because they have to be nice to you or they'll get fired. But it's a shield nonetheless. And it's huge, so huge that it's an utter waste of everyone's time for you to bother with it.

Do you guys have absolutely zero experience with women? I do not understand how you can fail to understand this fact.

By all means, go to a mall and hit on every retail girl in the place. See what happens. Yes, you might get a number, and you might even get a date. But the percentages are so low that you'll have more luck approaching random women in the street.

And besides that... it's pathetic. The girl HAS to talk with you. Are you kidding me? Your seduction skill-set is so piss-poor that you can only "approach" women who have no choice but to engage with you? This place is so depressing.
I walked into the store yesterday around 75 customers in there and about 9 cashiers working. The minute I walked in she made eye contact and started talking to me 25 feet away while she waiting on customers.
 

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Zarky,

If you can't tell the difference between a girl that's paid to be nice to you and a girl that's in to you, you really need to brush up on your chick reading skills.

If I see a girl I like, I go after her. Yes, even cashiers. Stop hating.
 

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You can go back in there tomorrow- if she is interested, then she is interested. If you read her right, sounds like that is the case. Go in soon, and if she is working, get in her line to buy a pack of gum or anything, and say "hey, why don't you and me go get a drink sometime?" and flash your pearly whites. She either says yes or no.

You're welcome, that will be $20 payable via Paypal. :)
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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