"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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So this chick wanted to get to know me better so she asked me to meet up with her which I agreed to. We talked about alot of things well mainly her but the thing is she mentioned to me some really deep stuff. Well we talked about how the year 2011 was terrible and she mentioned it sucked because she broke up with her long term, family problems, her aunt diagnosed with cancer etc. Then I changed the topic and we started talking driving because i still haven't got my licence >.< . She mentioned again that she used to drive to the city with her ex when she was learning. I know i'm probably over analysing a tad too much but common sense tells me that you don't really reveal all those deep stuff about yourself when you first meet someone unless you're really comfortable with the other person ie "As a friend".

Anyway any advice for me? Is this a red flag or am i just being a massive chump? Should i just next?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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The trick is to try and escalate. It's the only way you can know.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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You waited too late to escalate and now you're gonna masturbate. Story of many people in the friendzone. You're next because this is where you are. Be sexual from the get go and don't be scared to slip the innuendos in.:cool:

Judge nismo has found you guilty of failure to escalate and becoming an emotional tampon. I wrote a nice ass thread not too long ago about common ass cases like this. So you're fined bruised genitals, loss of power, hearings of whiny stories about other men outside of you, and a trip to Platonicton, West Virginia.

Move on. She's with her ex. Stop worrying. That's my ruling.

Case closed.
 
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Sometimes you can't escalate quickly enough because they won't let you! It's a catch 22, you cant escalate because of lack of interest and lose whatever low interest she has because you cant escalate properly! The quick escalation only helps with resolving the issue quickly enough. My shortest escalation phase to sex was 5 mins. The chances are that she won't be sexing you if it didn't happen within first few meetings with her. That's where being patient and other women come very handy.
 
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So this chick wanted to get to know me better so she asked me to meet up with her which I agreed to. We talked about alot of things well mainly her but the thing is she mentioned to me some really deep stuff.
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Was this a coffee date? A dinner date? If you are not a great communicator yet and don't have a way with talking game at women you can always try action dates. Pool, bowling etc. I personally like pool as I am able to get lots of kino in and tease her/challenge her due to us playing against each other. That alone pushes me away from the friend zone which can happen in a coffee/dinner date when you're sitting down unable to kino her and if she sucks you in to talking about stuff you shouldn't talk about (her ex etc).
2011 was terrible and she mentioned it sucked because she broke up with her long term, family problems, her aunt diagnosed with cancer etc. Then I changed the topic and we started talking driving because i still haven't got my licence >.< . She mentioned again that she used to drive to the city with her ex when she was learning.
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It's your job to lead the conversation into a direction that suits you. I mean if she ends up talking about her dying aunt and her ex boyfriend on a date with you then for sure YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
 
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