"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Changing the convo to avoid friending

SingledadinKY

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What's a non-****head way to basically say "I gives a damn" and changing the subject when a new girl you are talking to wants to wax poetic about past relationships and other nonsense which can lead you into the friend zone? When these subjects have come up I've basically said something like "yeah, can you please get me something to drink?" or I'll just say "damn, look at the time, gotta go." I kind of feel like a **** - am I doing it right? Worse yet, what if she asks you specifically, "can I call you? I really feel bad about something and need to talk" and you know damn well it will be one of those "friendly" types of conversations. In the past even if I just listen and say "umm hmm" while she does all the talking I've had them say "thanks for listening...you're such a great friend!" :(
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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PDubb75

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If it's getting to the point where she asks you those questions, you are doing something wrong. You shouldn't have to deflect those questions, because you shouldnt be hearing them. It means she has already put you in the friend zone. It's not your answer to that question that will put you there.

My assumption is you haven't escalated physically before that point.

What do you generally talk about before it gets to this point you are asking about?
 

floydb25

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There's only two possibilities:

1.) She's not that attracted to you, and was going to view you as a friend regardless.

2.) You are placing YOURSELF into the friend-zone by not taking any ACTION.

People view you as you make them feel, and categorize you accordingly. If you are always available, attentive, a good listener, and so forth - you become a friend. This is how you're acting; its the vibe you are giving off. You seem like, or are a nice person who listens to their problems. The more you listen to said problems - the deeper into friends territory you get. As well as other things friends do.

Lovers take ACTION. You must place yourself in this category - not the boring friends' one.

However, it should be STRONGLY noted that, even despite this, if someone is attracted to you, they will still show signs of interest. They'll probably be confused and act confusing because you're acting too friendly, but there will still be flirting, sexual innuendo's, and all that good stuff. Just because you're acting like a friend - doesn't mean they're not interested. But, if you fail to do anything, they will eventually lose interest.

Someone who's interested won't say you're just a friend. It won't happen. You can act like an idiot nice guy all you want, and they will still show sexual interest until the end. If she's not making any sexual advances or suggestions - she is NOT into you.
 
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