Cardio in evening/night: A Waste?

[MindOverMatter]

Originally posted by silverwex
thanks for the replies guys, ive only read to alex's post where he says:



Well actually i did 'bulk up' on 1g prot per lb bodyweight so i suppose if i maintain this amount ill keep the muscle i gained...

not necesserily. when you are cutting, you lower your carb intake, and as result you need to eat more protein. I personally do clean bulks and don't bother with bulking / cutting phases, but if I were to do it that way, I'd definetly spike up my protein intake. when you're eating less carbs in order to cut, your body turns to protein for energy, and as a result you need to eat more of it.

 

[Warboss Alex]

*pales at the thought of 1g protein per lb and has to take a stiff drink*

 

[silverwex]

its all about the funds warboss!

what do you aim for?

 

[Warboss Alex]

LOL .. I know whatcha mean mate.

360g-450g daily is what I aim for, depending on whether I want to get bigger or not.

And yeah, it's difficult but consider that 12 eggs, 3 cans of tuna, and 1lb of lean steak mince can account for a good 300g or so for what, less than four quid a day?

And that's without adding everyday stuff like milk, bread and the proteins in carb foods, and discounting protein powder too.. not difficult to get that protein in quite cheaply after all.

 

[medjaun]

Originally posted by MindOverMatter
not necesserily. when you are cutting, you lower your carb intake, and as result you need to eat more protein. I personally do clean bulks and don't bother with bulking / cutting phases, but if I were to do it that way, I'd definetly spike up my protein intake. when you're eating less carbs in order to cut, your body turns to protein for energy, and as a result you need to eat more of it.

Why is lowering carbs important to cut? Does it really matter what type of food you eat as long as you have a calorie deficit? I'm not saying you can just eat junk but from what I know the only problem with eating carbs is that the general portions people eat of carbs end up totaling a bunch of calories.

 

[semag]

Heh, you can "cut" at a calorie surplus. Just gotta get your macros like perfect.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by medjaun
Why is lowering carbs important to cut? Does it really matter what type of food you eat as long as you have a calorie deficit? I'm not saying you can just eat junk but from what I know the only problem with eating carbs is that the general portions people eat of carbs end up totaling a bunch of calories.

Simply because you can't afford to drop too much (if any) protein from your diet, and you shouldn't be taking in so much fat that you can afford to drop any of this either (besides, an increased EFA intake is beneficial to losing bodyfat) .. hence, carbs are usually sacrificed.

You have a point in that you can drop some of each macro and still lose weight, but WHAT you drop makes a difference in what kind of weight you'll lose ..

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by semag
Heh, you can "cut" at a calorie surplus. Just gotta get your macros like perfect.

It's still not ONLY a case of macros mate, it's about making sure all your food goes toward muscle growth or is excreted, ensuring that the absolute minimum is put into adipose, then cardio at the optimum time to burn existing fat stores - which shouldn't be added to during the day - thereby losing bodyfat (slowly) over time.

 

[semag]

yeah alex, that's what I meant. In terms of the fact that "cutting" typically means to drop bodyfat.

As we've said, it's possible to drop bodyfat while throwing on muscle, which means it's possible to "cut" at a calorie surplus....

From my understanding, the thing that is not possible is to "lose weight" while at a calorie surplus... because something's gonna be building, be it fat, or muscle.

 

[medjaun]

Originally posted by Warboss Alex
Simply because you can't afford to drop too much (if any) protein from your diet, and you shouldn't be taking in so much fat that you can afford to drop any of this either (besides, an increased EFA intake is beneficial to losing bodyfat) .. hence, carbs are usually sacrificed.

You have a point in that you can drop some of each macro and still lose weight, but WHAT you drop makes a difference in what kind of weight you'll lose ..

Thanks, makes sense.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by semag
yeah alex, that's what I meant. In terms of the fact that "cutting" typically means to drop bodyfat.

As we've said, it's possible to drop bodyfat while throwing on muscle, which means it's possible to "cut" at a calorie surplus....

From my understanding, the thing that is not possible is to "lose weight" while at a calorie surplus... because something's gonna be building, be it fat, or muscle.

Yeah, lol. I remember I used to look at my waist/love handles and watch them fine down and think "Woohoo!" then get on the scales and find I hadn't dropped any weight at all, and I was like "What?!" .. the scales will mess with your head, but the mirror/tape measure never lies.

(okay, sometimes even the mirror does.)

 

[semag]

PS: Alex, i don't know if you've been over there yet... but did you see the drama over at Dante's forum? He pulled down all the stickies, including "cycles on pennies."

crazy shyt.

 

[Warboss Alex]

LOL .. only just noticed mate?

I visit that forum nearly daily. But I've memorised most of the stuff so it doesn't matter that they've gone.. and if you Google for them you can find most of the info from other sources.

 

[silverwex]

hey whats all this about dantes forum? is it as good source of info re bodybuilding and cutting?

hey warboss and mindovermatter: u guys should come up with a bulking/cutting guide - something like diesels? what ya think?

warboss any images?

 

[Warboss Alex]

hey whats all this about dantes forum? is it as good source of info re bodybuilding and cutting?

In answer to that particular question, no.

warboss any images?

No thanks, not at all photogenic.

 

[semag]

hahah warboss, i noticed it a long time ago, i remember you said you don't post much on the other lifting forums, although you do visit. I figured you read Dante's forum every day, but wasn't sure. I like all the tshirt designs they got goin

To silver: nah bro, i don't think you should go over there yet. Give your lifting another year or 2.

 

[silverwex]

no probs semag.

time for cutting update:

DATE:
17 July 2005

BODYFAT %:
21.5 approx.

SUMMARY:
20 minurtes jog (moderate pace)

15 minute walk

2 x 2mins HIIT.

This too much?

Hell, Im starting to like cardio more than weight training now! Started off hating cardio! lol

 

[semag]

Originally posted by silverwex
Hell, Im starting to like cardio more than weight training now! Started off hating cardio! lol

LMAO, that's blasphemous in the bodybuilding world!