fastzander
Don Juan
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Hey folks. Since the last time I posted on this forum (https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...esults-soliciting-feedback-on-routine.284811/), I’ve changed up my routine a fair amount. I now do my approaches during a 4:00 PM – 7:00 PM timeslot on weekdays, and during my old 11:30 AM – 3:30 PM timeslot only on weekends. I do them in the same high-traffic shopping district in the city center each day. I’ve drastically cut the number of approaches I do each day to 4. Instead of walking women, I now exclusively approach seated women. I now open directly (“I just thought you were cute,” etc.) instead of asking for a café recommendation as a pretext. When I get conversations, I’m much less scripted and try to improvise much more than I used to. I’ve recently emphasized trying to weave in push/pulls and qualifiers to the best of my ability. I try to get instant dates wherever possible.
In doing all of the above, my results have increased dramatically from what they had been. I can now get one phone number every second or third day or so, sometimes multiple days in a row (I just got one every night for three days in a row) if I’m lucky, compared to the barely one per week I used to get. I can get an instant date about twice per week, with an ease that honestly shocks me, and have gone on seven in a roughly three-week period thus far.
The trouble is that I cannot, for the life of me, seem to be able to get a woman to not flake on a non-instant date. Or, for that matter, even respond to my calls or texts. Roughly 12 leads in a row thus far have ended up going nowhere, either flaking on a non-instant date or not responding to calls/texts, including 6 of the ones I went on instant dates with. I vibed seemingly extremely well with at least three of the leads––one of them I kissed at the end of an instant date, and another offered me her number rather than the other way around and hugged me at the end––but these, too, flaked.
I’ve been adhering to every tip I’ve read to try and reduce this. I’ve been trying to close at high points in the conversations. I’ve been scheduling dates, with a specific time and place (always as soon as possible), at the times of the closes, rather than later over texts. I’ve been leaving with a final flirt or tease. I’ve been texting them non-needy callback humor (i.e… memes) midway between the initial meetings and the dates. On the days before the dates, I’ve tried calling to confirm first as opposed to texting, only doing the latter (wherein again, I try to be non-needy) if they don’t answer (which they never do). Alas, nothing.
I’m starting to get both frustrated and concerned. Do I simply need to do more approaches? I understand that a high percentage of leads will always flake, especially if one is a relative beginner. But I really feel like at least one shouldn’t have flaked by now, relative to the number I’ve gotten, if I haven’t been doing anything too overtly wrong. Compared to when I posted my last post here, I don’t really have any ideas on what, if anything, I might be doing wrong.
Based on the above information, does anyone here have any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? On what I should or shouldn’t be doing instead? I was able to resolve the issues I was having the last time by soliciting advice on both here and r/seduction.
In doing all of the above, my results have increased dramatically from what they had been. I can now get one phone number every second or third day or so, sometimes multiple days in a row (I just got one every night for three days in a row) if I’m lucky, compared to the barely one per week I used to get. I can get an instant date about twice per week, with an ease that honestly shocks me, and have gone on seven in a roughly three-week period thus far.
The trouble is that I cannot, for the life of me, seem to be able to get a woman to not flake on a non-instant date. Or, for that matter, even respond to my calls or texts. Roughly 12 leads in a row thus far have ended up going nowhere, either flaking on a non-instant date or not responding to calls/texts, including 6 of the ones I went on instant dates with. I vibed seemingly extremely well with at least three of the leads––one of them I kissed at the end of an instant date, and another offered me her number rather than the other way around and hugged me at the end––but these, too, flaked.
I’ve been adhering to every tip I’ve read to try and reduce this. I’ve been trying to close at high points in the conversations. I’ve been scheduling dates, with a specific time and place (always as soon as possible), at the times of the closes, rather than later over texts. I’ve been leaving with a final flirt or tease. I’ve been texting them non-needy callback humor (i.e… memes) midway between the initial meetings and the dates. On the days before the dates, I’ve tried calling to confirm first as opposed to texting, only doing the latter (wherein again, I try to be non-needy) if they don’t answer (which they never do). Alas, nothing.
I’m starting to get both frustrated and concerned. Do I simply need to do more approaches? I understand that a high percentage of leads will always flake, especially if one is a relative beginner. But I really feel like at least one shouldn’t have flaked by now, relative to the number I’ve gotten, if I haven’t been doing anything too overtly wrong. Compared to when I posted my last post here, I don’t really have any ideas on what, if anything, I might be doing wrong.
Based on the above information, does anyone here have any ideas on what I might be doing wrong? On what I should or shouldn’t be doing instead? I was able to resolve the issues I was having the last time by soliciting advice on both here and r/seduction.
