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can u be friendzoned even if u show your intention on a date?

drift_king

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can u still be friendzoned even if u show your intention on a date?

i wasn't able to build up enough rapport sitting opposite this girl so no kino was possible.

i felt it wasn't going well in terms of a 'date' but in terms of conversation as friends it seemed good even tho i was coming on to her probably well over the top. i did this almost as an overcompensation for the fact i coudn't kino her.

i went for the kiss close, but that seemed like a desperate attempt to save the date.

if her IL diminishes during the date then can u be friend zoned that way too?
 

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i remember halfway through the date i was just panicing realising i was getting friendzoned and had no idea how to get out of it, i was being c+f, i negged her a bit but in terms of rapport building i just didnt know what to do without kino.

this is the 3rd time i've seen her and 1st time in 5 weeks. it doesnt help that she doesn't trust me that i like her for 'her' cos she confessed that her mutual friend we both know 'thought' i was into her 1st then moved on to this 1.. i was like shocked i was 'huh?? no! why would u think that?' then i spent the next 2 mins professing my innocence about why i was into her and not the mutual friend. she just didnt seem to believe me no matter what i said.
 

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Not sure what the background is, but I think you should have kissed her the first or second date. You'd get quicker feedback and wouldn't have to waste time on a third date if she didn't let you kiss her. Also, why did you post essentially the same thing in two different threads?

To answer your question: sometimes the girl is just not attracted, so yes, sometimes you get friendzoned through no fault of your own.
 

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JackRyanJuan said:
Not sure what the background is, but I think you should have kissed her the first or second date. You'd get quicker feedback and wouldn't have to waste time on a third date if she didn't let you kiss her. Also, why did you post essentially the same thing in two different threads?
haha i did try to kiss her on both the 1st and 2nd date and she wouldn't let me.

purely because she didnt trust me that i was into her and only after '1' thing. i know the reason why now cos our mutual friend as i mentioned above 'seemed' to think i liked her 1st and just moved on to her instead. i have no idea why her friend thinks that but it's f'd up my situation with this girl.

if she's wary that you're only after 1 thing and making u wait for it, does that explain why she wont let me kiss her?
 

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You can't be friendzoned unless you show her that you are a sexual being. Being friendzoned is a result of having low self esteem during the date. I had a girl ask me for my info the other day and she wanted to give me hers (but during the moment she was giving me hers, i sensed some hesitation body language wise which turned me off), at that point, i lost all interest. Girls can also sense this. You will be friendzoned if you are not confident and displaying sexual body language
 

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