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Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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can u be friendzoned even if u show your intention on a date?

drift_king

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can u still be friendzoned even if u show your intention on a date?

i wasn't able to build up enough rapport sitting opposite this girl so no kino was possible.

i felt it wasn't going well in terms of a 'date' but in terms of conversation as friends it seemed good even tho i was coming on to her probably well over the top. i did this almost as an overcompensation for the fact i coudn't kino her.

i went for the kiss close, but that seemed like a desperate attempt to save the date.

if her IL diminishes during the date then can u be friend zoned that way too?
 

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You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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i remember halfway through the date i was just panicing realising i was getting friendzoned and had no idea how to get out of it, i was being c+f, i negged her a bit but in terms of rapport building i just didnt know what to do without kino.

this is the 3rd time i've seen her and 1st time in 5 weeks. it doesnt help that she doesn't trust me that i like her for 'her' cos she confessed that her mutual friend we both know 'thought' i was into her 1st then moved on to this 1.. i was like shocked i was 'huh?? no! why would u think that?' then i spent the next 2 mins professing my innocence about why i was into her and not the mutual friend. she just didnt seem to believe me no matter what i said.
 

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Not sure what the background is, but I think you should have kissed her the first or second date. You'd get quicker feedback and wouldn't have to waste time on a third date if she didn't let you kiss her. Also, why did you post essentially the same thing in two different threads?

To answer your question: sometimes the girl is just not attracted, so yes, sometimes you get friendzoned through no fault of your own.
 

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JackRyanJuan said:
Not sure what the background is, but I think you should have kissed her the first or second date. You'd get quicker feedback and wouldn't have to waste time on a third date if she didn't let you kiss her. Also, why did you post essentially the same thing in two different threads?
haha i did try to kiss her on both the 1st and 2nd date and she wouldn't let me.

purely because she didnt trust me that i was into her and only after '1' thing. i know the reason why now cos our mutual friend as i mentioned above 'seemed' to think i liked her 1st and just moved on to her instead. i have no idea why her friend thinks that but it's f'd up my situation with this girl.

if she's wary that you're only after 1 thing and making u wait for it, does that explain why she wont let me kiss her?
 

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You can't be friendzoned unless you show her that you are a sexual being. Being friendzoned is a result of having low self esteem during the date. I had a girl ask me for my info the other day and she wanted to give me hers (but during the moment she was giving me hers, i sensed some hesitation body language wise which turned me off), at that point, i lost all interest. Girls can also sense this. You will be friendzoned if you are not confident and displaying sexual body language
 

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You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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