"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Here is what I got to say.... yes and no... Yes because a lot of great points on here (check old articles)... However, one key flaw, some of the people that run this place may be an AFC... In essence there is a little AFC in all of us.

Key Don Juans were banned from this site :( because their thoughts seemed extreme and not believed...

Point I am trying to make, for the site to really be legite we must

1)Free speech, input and insight from all levels of people and spectrum
2)Allow, no matter how ridiculous or insane points to be brought up and addressed and responded to.
3)Have an open mind...

DO NOT BAN people..... i.e. back in the day if you suggested that we weren't the center of the earth, or that moon circles us you were ridiculed and killed.

The truth hurts sometimes... Have an open mind....
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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For starters, you see a lot of repeat AFC questions of, why she ignoring me, why she didnt return my text or phone call, should is uprise her, how do i get her to like me again, why doesnt she, how do i get her to call me, how do i get her interest back... bla bla bla...
1)Humans are very smart animals, (even the dumb ones)
2)She knows you called
3)If she wants to, she would know how to contact you
4)she is AWARE she ignoring u.. duh..

Conclusion, in the end, a woman is attracted to a mans man..... i.e. a bad boy... we all look up to the general...

she might "love" you, but its the bad boy thats banging her brains out

which one do you want to be?
is it possible to be both... yes... if you either are natural at certain mental control tecnhiques or u must develop them...
 

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No, the people that were banned were giving advice that is downright WRONG or even unlawful. I think I remember somebody by the name of 'DonJuanForever' who was banned for giving advice to PHYSICALLY ABUSE women. Other's were banned for talking about religion and such.
 

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It is the "mental control" techniques that were presented here earlier, that got some of the don juans kicked off the site.... keep in mind, there is a difference between just being that funny cool guy that picks up a girl, and that man that actually has her at finger tips and really has her devotion! you have to have a level of mental superiority over her.... it is what it is... remember, the act of sex is truly a man taking over a woman, method of control, even a dominatrix becomes submissive with the right man....
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Dannyrt34 said:
No, the people that were banned were giving advice that is downright WRONG or even unlawful. I think I remember somebody by the name of 'DonJuanForever' who was banned for giving advice to PHYSICALLY ABUSE women. Other's were banned for talking about religion and such.

show me the link to an article.... i want to read it

I think a lot of people misunderstood..physical abuse is not supported
but display of dominance occurs...

girls sometimes want to be grabbed and told "sit your ass down"

just as a Daddy would, when he grabs his daughters hand out of the cookie jar and says thats for dinner lol
 

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found it, sorry it was actually not 'DonJuanForever'

The screenname was actually "DonJuanByNature"
And here is the thread where he attempts to explain "mental abuse"
If you read on it definitely is classified as PHYSICAL ABUSE.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=104303

These are his exact words:

"very nice Instead of you saying "I wont see you" as a form of punishment, I think pinning her on the floor, put your hand over her mouth and nose, and let her fight for her breath a little, and then say "You lucky I love you, otherwise I would have left my hand there" hahahahah and then dont forget to kiss her ofcourse"
 

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TruthHurts said:
1)Free speech, input and insight from all levels of people and spectrum
2)Allow, no matter how ridiculous or insane points to be brought up and addressed and responded to.
3)Have an open mind...
A so called "newbie" with only 12 posts is preaching about not banning people and having an open mind, it doesn't smell right.
 

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DJDamage said:
A so called "newbie" with only 12 posts is preaching about not banning people and having an open mind, it doesn't smell right.
So if you have 2600 post that makes you sumbody important?
 

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Hey Truth, why create a new account just to post this? What's wrong with your other one?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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^^ JUST GUESS.

- He likes nursery rhymes or basketball players.
- He likes to start threads all the time.
- He has all the answers.
- HE LOVES MYSPACE.
 

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and complaining about being banned, i would say either skip, or actually DonJuanByNature. Mainly cause he has already mentioned "mental control" which is the same as "mental abuse. I suspected it but didn't want to say anything.
 

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blueguy said:
^^ JUST GUESS.

- He likes nursery rhymes or basketball players.
- He likes to start threads all the time.
- He has all the answers.
- HE LOVES MYSPACE.
Skip?

That's not it. He's at Player Supreme's and his grammer gives him away.


Is it DonJuanForever/Angelus/whatever the fvck he's been called before?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Answer You Seek

Francisco d'Anconia said:
Hey Truth, why create a new account just to post this? What's wrong with your other one?

My other one... is banned...

Why am I on here... Cause through all my experience I know what needs to be done not to be an AFC...But no matter how much you know, its different knowing and actually living up to it.... Recently I commited acts of AFCness with my X... Why? Cause I a human... No matter how suave you think you are I think we all atleast one point in our life go through the heart break... I have.

What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger...

By the way.. I dont like myspace.. i hate internet.. I think its killing our ability to be social.. I say high to a girl at store 24, and b.itch looks at me all crazy. Maybe she thinks im a rapist or something.... why? cause she is not socially adept and doesnt know how to interect with people.. Go to europe and say hi, what you get... a nice hi back with a conversation, cause a girl knows how to handle herself,,,, However, internet works, dont matter how, where or when, if there is a girl, there is game...

I am impressed that you recognize these names...

I am DonJuanByNature.. wether you love me or hate me.. YOU REMEMBER ME..... proves my point... Mahamad ALI loved..... or remembered.. look at history he taunts his opponent after knocking him down (bad sportsman ship that would get your license revoked these days)...

point is,, like it or not, YOU DONT REMEMBER THE OTHER KIDS,,,, but you remember me and my boy SKIP....

same with a girl... she might hate you, but she keeps comming back...

regarding the physical thing,,,,you took it all wrong,, its intended to be playfull. not malicious in nature as you suspect... i.e. you giver her a taste of it without actually meaning it... i.e. originally the man is a defender, he protects the women from wild beasts...where are the beasts now??? does a women really need you for protection???? no.. but... thousands of years of evolution have selected women that rely on that innate need for a mens protection, hence why women are attracted to a "bad boy" who is not afraid to get in a fight... case closed...
 

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TruthHurts said:
My other one... is banned...

Why am I on here... Cause through all my experience I know what needs to be done not to be an AFC...But no matter how much you know, its different knowing and actually living up to it.... Recently I commited acts of AFCness with my X... Why? Cause I a human... No matter how suave you think you are I think we all atleast one point in our life go through the heart break... I have.

What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger...

By the way.. I dont like myspace.. i hate internet.. I think its killing our ability to be social.. I say high to a girl at store 24, and b.itch looks at me all crazy. Maybe she thinks im a rapist or something.... why? cause she is not socially adept and doesnt know how to interect with people.. Go to europe and say hi, what you get... a nice hi back with a conversation, cause a girl knows how to handle herself,,,, However, internet works, dont matter how, where or when, if there is a girl, there is game...

I am impressed that you recognize these names...

I am DonJuanByNature.. wether you love me or hate me.. YOU REMEMBER ME..... proves my point... Mahamad ALI loved..... or remembered.. look at history he taunts his opponent after knocking him down (bad sportsman ship that would get your license revoked these days)...

point is,, like it or not, YOU DONT REMEMBER THE OTHER KIDS,,,, but you remember me and my boy SKIP....

same with a girl... she might hate you, but she keeps comming back...

regarding the physical thing,,,,you took it all wrong,, its intended to be playfull. not malicious in nature as you suspect... i.e. you giver her a taste of it without actually meaning it... i.e. originally the man is a defender, he protects the women from wild beasts...where are the beasts now??? does a women really need you for protection???? no.. but... thousands of years of evolution have selected women that rely on that innate need for a mens protection, hence why women are attracted to a "bad boy" who is not afraid to get in a fight... case closed...
:kick:
 

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TruthHurts said:
regarding the physical thing,,,,you took it all wrong,, its intended to be playfull.
damn I knew that was you. Anyway, here is a suggestion. If you don't want to get banned, watch the way you word it then if it's intended to be playful. If 99% of everyone on here took that advice the wrong way, perhaps you should look at how you write your stuff, and try to get it across to mean what you want it to mean.
 

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Dannyrt34 said:
perhaps you should look at how you write your stuff, and try to get it across to mean what you want it to mean.
I agree, that when someone reading something they can completly get the wrong idea.. i.e. tonation, body language style of saying something is important...

like "how you doin" you dont just say to a girl, how you doin.. its the way you say it, look at her, etc etc... will try to be more descriptive so that people are more understanding..
 
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