"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Hey guys, new to the forum here, but I have enjoyed many of the articles on this sight. I kind of need some tailored advice though.

A bit about my personality when it comes to dating first...I have been rather shy most of my life, but lately I have been working on that and it has been improving. I can approach, start, and hold conversations with someone of interest without too much trouble, for instance. Also, I tend to think of myself as a bit of a high roller, in the fact that I am somewhat choosey with who I like to go for, and tend to find myself in the dilemma of putting "all my eggs in one basket". Nevertheless, this is just part of who I am...

On the the situation at hand. I met this girl freshman year of college, gorgeous, and with a very cool personality. I had a thing for her on and off a couple times, but just let it pass. Anyway, I hadn't seen her much in awhile, but we started talking indirectly more often during the Fall 2011 semester. We agreed to hang out one night, and it went fairly well. By this point, I knew some feelings were starting to surface again. Only this time, I convinced myself that I wanted to act on them. I tried casually inviting her places within a group of our friends, but scheduling just never seemed to work out. We didn't hang again in a group until a month and a half later.

Over winter break, we texted quite a bit, and nearly never ran out of anything to talk about, and had fairly interesting conversations. It was at this point we discussed ideas for group outtings the coming semester, and she even expressed interest in me meeting a family member of hers...

The new semester rolls around. And within the first week of being back at school, I begin subtly hinting that we should hang out, but she doesn't seem to catch on. Midweek, after I contacted her, she asks me to come kill time with her between classes. I did.

Over the next few weeks I make a point to ask her here and there to come hang out on campus, again, our timing doesn't line up well. Finally, in February, we agree to a group adventure. Only she cancels coming...first time was definitely a legitimate reason, she even apologized for not making it. Next time she is tied up as well, and the time after that, and the time after that she claims she does not feel well. After reading articles on this site, I honestly believe this is where my first mistake was made...making myself too readily available. The reason I had been so persistent though, is because this is when I decided I finally wanted to wait no longer to ask her out on a date.

I did ask her, and urged her to be honest, as to whether or not my persistence was just that or if she felt I was being pushy. And that if she did not want to hang out, and was rescheduling to put it off, to just come clean about it. She convinced me that this was not the case.

Exasperated at the fact we were not seeing eachother in person so I could make my move, I ended up writing a letter...this is where I may have committed two, even three more mistakes...in the letter, I came clean about why I had been so persistent about hanging out, and putting forth the scenario of how I had wished to ask her out. I said, I didn't expect anything too serious to just erupt, I wanted to get to know her better and see if there may be anything between us.......... -_- Also, had a bag of peanut butter m&m's (inside joke). double -_-

So, I went to her house, to deliver these, however, she was there. She invited me inside and we talked for a few minutes. I gave her the m&m's, and she seemed gracious I suppose...but I left the note in the bag. After we were done talking, I told her I would let her get back to studying, and as I was leaving I asked her if she would like to see a movie with me this weekend. She very quickly said, "yes, that would be awesome." Just that she would have to check her availability at work. On the way out, I added, "as a date." Just to make sure this wasn't turning into a friendzone hangout or something...and her response was, "*slight pause* umm, yeah."

I texted her later that night while I was at a party, and she read my note. She said: I am flattered that you want to get to know me better, and think you're a pretty awesome guy as well. I am totally down to go to the movies, however, this weekend won't work. I just need you to know where I stand. I actually have this thing with a friend back home and have no desire to get involved with anyone else on a more than friendly basis.

So...she seemed sincere. I expressed that I was a bit disappointed, but appreciated her honesty. She thanked me for understanding, and continued talking to me for a bit, before going to bed.

I had a strictly non dating related question to ask her today, which I did. She responded normally as if nothing happened. Then I texted her nonchalantly about alternative times to go to the movie. (After the movie, I planned on backing off for awhile.) I have yet to get a response, though she said quite clearly she still wanted to go.....

So...just how bad is it??? My goals right now are to try and move on, if I find someone new, great. Getting friendzoned is the last thing I want, but if I can still keep this girl in my life at arms length, I would want just that. My feelings unfortunately, run a long term course for the most part. I am open minded about meeting someone new, however, I want my soon-to-be-acquired suave skills to help me level the playing field, and potentially create another opportunity in the future, if my feelings stick, or resurface some day. I don't want her gone for good.

Thanks to anyone who reads and replies to this long-winded post.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Letter writing? Gift giving? To a girl you've never kissed?

She had to check her schedule? She said "...um, yeah?" when you asked for a date?

What part about "I actually have (a boyfriend) and have no desire to get involved with (you)" did you not understand?
 

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bigneil said:
Letter writing? Gift giving? To a girl you've never kissed?
Yeah, I'm rather ashamed of that now to be quite honest...

bigneil said:
She had to check her schedule? She said "...um, yeah?" when you asked for a date?
The um yeah, was not very reassuring. The scheduling thing was not a lie. She works weekends, and her schedule had not yet been posted.

bigneil said:
What part about "I actually have (a boyfriend) and have no desire to get involved with (you)" did you not understand?
She never explicitly said anything about having a boyfriend. I'm fairly sure she doesn't. We talked for months as friends (by the way, she sometimes initiated the conversation), I'm sure I would have heard about him. I took it to mean she has feelings for someone back home, but again I don't know the details.

Yes, I'm very disappointed in myself, yes I am open for seeking out other options, but it this moment it just sucks, and I am hoping that the ruin is not permanent. I still don't feel awkward around her, I'm confident in how I carry myself, but I am not sure if and how awkward she feels...
 

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Do nothing! IF she wants to go to a movie with you, she'll bring it up to you. You already asked (more than once), not too mention did a whole bunch of other stuff for her.

You can't make someone like you or be attracted to you, but you can make someone not like you and not be attracted to you.

Do nothing.
 

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"There is a saying that you can't unscramble eggs."

Vincent in The Black Hole (1979)
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Alright, thanks guys. I was starting to think that as well...

I'm really new to all this (these tactics that is). :wave:
 

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if you ignore her for an extended period of time and have success with other women and she knows about it, it's possible to "reset" her interest level meter

otherwise forget it
 

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Aaron B said:
if you ignore her for an extended period of time and have success with other women and she knows about it, it's possible to "reset" her interest level meter

otherwise forget it
Yeah, very true... Thing is, I like this option. If I do move on to someone else though, then on the flipside, I wouldn't want any possibility to still be friends with this girl messed up either.

If she does contact me about still going to the movie, for what ever reason, I've been toying with the notion of bailing. Thoughts?
 

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ganda1f91 said:
Yeah, very true... Thing is, I like this option. If I do move on to someone else though, then on the flipside, I wouldn't want any possibility to still be friends with this girl messed up either.

If she does contact me about still going to the movie, for what ever reason, I've been toying with the notion of bailing. Thoughts?
figure out what you want

figure out how to get it

what SHE wants is irrelevant
 

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"figure out how to get it"

That's why I'm here man. ;)

"what SHE wants is irrelevant"

Noted :yes:
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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ganda1f91 said:
Hey guys, new to the forum here, but I have enjoyed many of the articles on this sight. I kind of need some tailored advice though.

Cool

A bit about my personality when it comes to dating first...I have been rather shy most of my life, but lately I have been working on that and it has been improving. I can approach, start, and hold conversations with someone of interest without too much trouble, for instance. Also, I tend to think of myself as a bit of a high roller, in the fact that I am somewhat choosey with who I like to go for, and tend to find myself in the dilemma of putting "all my eggs in one basket". Nevertheless, this is just part of who I am...

Good that your pickey. Bad that you put your eggs in one basket.

On the the situation at hand. I met this girl freshman year of college, gorgeous, and with a very cool personality. I had a thing for her on and off a couple times, but just let it pass. Anyway, I hadn't seen her much in awhile, but we started talking indirectly more often during the Fall 2011 semester. We agreed to hang out one night, and it went fairly well. By this point, I knew some feelings were starting to surface again. Only this time, I convinced myself that I wanted to act on them. I tried casually inviting her places within a group of our friends, but scheduling just never seemed to work out. We didn't hang again in a group until a month and a half later.

If it went so well?... why did it take you so long to hang with her again and especially in a group.. You should have stroke while the iron was hot if it was as good as you claimed. The scheduling didn't work out because she wasn't interested in you. The busy excuse is an excuse so she won't have to deal with you. I use this line all the time on my woman. I really am busy but even though I am if I wanted to I could find time easily.

Over winter break, we texted quite a bit, and nearly never ran out of anything to talk about, and had fairly interesting conversations. It was at this point we discussed ideas for group outtings the coming semester, and she even expressed interest in me meeting a family member of hers...

Now this is how you know you have been LJBF'd. She is way too comfortable with you. Comfortable enough for you to meet one of her family members? You gotta show these girls that your busy. Don't text them 24/7. Don't ask too many questions. Those questions can be answered in person.

The new semester rolls around. And within the first week of being back at school, I begin subtly hinting that we should hang out, but she doesn't seem to catch on. Midweek, after I contacted her, she asks me to come kill time with her between classes. I did.

Ummmm hell no. You call the shots... not her. How do you subtly hint at hanging out? You need to DIRECTLY ask her. Quit beating aroudn the bush.

Over the next few weeks I make a point to ask her here and there to come hang out on campus, again, our timing doesn't line up well. Finally, in February, we agree to a group adventure. Only she cancels coming...first time was definitely a legitimate reason, she even apologized for not making it. Next time she is tied up as well, and the time after that, and the time after that she claims she does not feel well. After reading articles on this site, I honestly believe this is where my first mistake was made...making myself too readily available. The reason I had been so persistent though, is because this is when I decided I finally wanted to wait no longer to ask her out on a date.

No, time can be found. She just doesn't want you obviously. Theres a thin line between being persistant and being thirsty. Your being thirsty.

I did ask her, and urged her to be honest, as to whether or not my persistence was just that or if she felt I was being pushy. And that if she did not want to hang out, and was rescheduling to put it off, to just come clean about it. She convinced me that this was not the case.

You really remind me of one of the girls that is literally in love with me. This girl will bug the crap outta me and I try to be nice. I avoid her calls/text but if we do make contact I keep it cordial and say the same thing that she said to you. But in my mind I know I'm dealing with the most annoying person I've dealt with.

Exasperated at the fact we were not seeing eachother in person so I could make my move, I ended up writing a letter...this is where I may have committed two, even three more mistakes...in the letter, I came clean about why I had been so persistent about hanging out, and putting forth the scenario of how I had wished to ask her out. I said, I didn't expect anything too serious to just erupt, I wanted to get to know her better and see if there may be anything between us.......... -_- Also, had a bag of peanut butter m&m's (inside joke). double -_-

Are you serious?

So, I went to her house, to deliver these, however, she was there. She invited me inside and we talked for a few minutes. I gave her the m&m's, and she seemed gracious I suppose...but I left the note in the bag. After we were done talking, I told her I would let her get back to studying, and as I was leaving I asked her if she would like to see a movie with me this weekend. She very quickly said, "yes, that would be awesome." Just that she would have to check her availability at work. On the way out, I added, "as a date." Just to make sure this wasn't turning into a friendzone hangout or something...and her response was, "*slight pause* umm, yeah."

I bet you 50$ she cancels the movie invitation!

I texted her later that night while I was at a party, and she read my note. She said: I am flattered that you want to get to know me better, and think you're a pretty awesome guy as well. I am totally down to go to the movies, however, this weekend won't work. I just need you to know where I stand. I actually have this thing with a friend back home and have no desire to get involved with anyone else on a more than friendly basis.

Duh. I could have told you this sh!t from the jump. Look at actions, not words. The actions that said all of this was right there.

So...she seemed sincere. I expressed that I was a bit disappointed, but appreciated her honesty. She thanked me for understanding, and continued talking to me for a bit, before going to bed.

You need to charge her and stop wasting your time on this girl.

I had a strictly non dating related question to ask her today, which I did. She responded normally as if nothing happened. Then I texted her nonchalantly about alternative times to go to the movie. (After the movie, I planned on backing off for awhile.) I have yet to get a response, though she said quite clearly she still wanted to go.....

She doesn't want to go to the movies with you. Point blank. Quit annoying this girl before she gets smarter and then starts using you for money.

So...just how bad is it??? My goals right now are to try and move on, if I find someone new, great. Getting friendzoned is the last thing I want, but if I can still keep this girl in my life at arms length, I would want just that. My feelings unfortunately, run a long term course for the most part. I am open minded about meeting someone new, however, I want my soon-to-be-acquired suave skills to help me level the playing field, and potentially create another opportunity in the future, if my feelings stick, or resurface some day. I don't want her gone for good.

You got friendzoned. You need to learn how to read womans actions. When your feeling a girl you ask them to hangout within a week. If they say anything but yes then they are not interested. If she was interested she would make time for you. If she says no but then counter-offers it could be different but if they leave you hanging you need to charge her to the game.

Thanks to anyone who reads and replies to this long-winded post.
:rockon:
You wasted a lot of time on this girl. Valuable time you can't get back. I hope you read my post and put use to it. Because if you don't then I wasted my time and I hate wasting time. Time is the most valuable asset someone has. Use it wisely.

and the stuff I posed is common sence. I'm not the type to use tactics or play games. I use common sence and intelligence.
 

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I did, thanks.

"Now this is how you know you have been LJBF'd. She is way too comfortable with you. Comfortable enough for you to meet one of her family members? You gotta show these girls that your busy. Don't text them 24/7. Don't ask too many questions. Those questions can be answered in person."

While, I do value any advice I can get here, I have several couple friends who were good friends prior to dating. Not saying that is the most operative or effective way of going about it, but I never made it obvious that I was interested by that point. While we may have just been friends, I had not yet put her in that position to choose that, nothing, or more. I also, did not text 24/7, or ask many questions.

I do agree that I shouldn't have waited so long, and should have been more direct, but what's done is done. :/ I suppose I was just afraid of giving something away too easily if I did that.
 

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Aaron B said:
if you ignore her for an extended period of time and have success with other women and she knows about it, it's possible to "reset" her interest level meter

otherwise forget it
truth. I've been experiencing this a ton lately, but I don't give most of these girls the time of day since I'm hanging with better looking girls. :rockon:
 

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Aaron B said:
if you ignore her for an extended period of time and have success with other women and she knows about it, it's possible to "reset" her interest level meter
Alex DeLarge said:
truth. I've been experiencing this a ton lately, but I don't give most of these girls the time of day since I'm hanging with better looking girls. :rockon:
I will probably irritate a few people here by saying this, but deep down, that's what I really want honestly. But I am open to the fact that this could change in the time to come.
 
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