That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
This is probably my life story. Back when I was hardcore AFC, confused, and all that... I was super quiet and sometimes I would randomly be indifferent due to my low self-esteem. Last year, when I began applying SS, I came out of my shell and tried being out spoken as much as possible. I will say that it felt really unnatural and it was more "random" than it was "outgoing." If those two are even in the same category...Konada said:I was talking to a female friend about another day and she told me I gave off the 'nice guy vibe'.
Are there any cases when your quiet demeanor has given off the wrong vibe you want to portray to others?
I would say this is pretty accurate in regards to body language and all of that. I didn't feel like I was benefiting from being a "big mouth" so I reverted back to my roots and I'm glad I did to be honest. So if women are thinking you're a "nice guy" or anything then it definitely has something to do with the way you carry yourself or interact with others. I don't think it has anything to do with being quiet.PairPlusroyalFlush said:in my opinion if your game is quiet confidence you're relying 100% on looks... Which can be fine it is not like us big mouths don't repulse some women
Just to throw this out there: Are you sure she was insulting you?Konada said:I was talking to a female friend about another day and she told me I gave off the 'nice guy vibe'.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Nah we were have a discussion on social dynamics and it kind of came up when we were talking about vibes people give off. I thought I had shaken the 'nice guy' vibe off but apparently not.zekko said:Just to throw this out there: Are you sure she was insulting you?
At worst, it might have been a challenge to see if you were able to get sexual without getting involved.
What I mean is are you sure she is using the term "nice guy" the same way that the manosphere does? And if you don't want to be considered a nice guy, what do you want people to think of you? I suppose you want people to think you're a jerk.Konada said:Nah we were have a discussion on social dynamics and it kind of came up when we were talking about vibes people give off. I thought I had shaken the 'nice guy' vibe off but apparently not.
Pretty sure since she compared me to other more vocal guys though everyone knows I don't give a shvt about what I say. Of course there are 2 extremes of alpha men, the vocal and the quiet kind. It seems like the more outspoken people would be regarded faster as alphas rather than the quiet ones.zekko said:What I mean is are you sure she is using the term "nice guy" the same way that the manosphere does? And if you don't want to be considered a nice guy, what do you want people to think of you? I suppose you want people to think you're a jerk.
Bro, she's baiting you, trying to get you nervous and to react. You have to turn it around and use it to your advantage instead of finding a solution to her comment.Konada said:I was talking to a female friend about another day and she told me I gave off the 'nice guy vibe'.
Are there any cases when your quiet demeanor has given off the wrong vibe you want to portray to others?
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
How do you know she is even interested in what an alpha male is? I mean I know a lot of this pickup stuff has become mainstream, but I'm not sure that a typical female would draw a connection between a "nice guy" and "alpha males".Konada said:Pretty sure since she compared me to other more vocal guys though everyone knows I don't give a shvt about what I say. Of course there are 2 extremes of alpha men, the vocal and the quiet kind. It seems like the more outspoken people would be regarded faster as alphas rather than the quiet ones.
I agree, about being called a nice guy in general.zekko said:I mean if a guy on this forum calls you a nice guy, you can pretty well be assured that you have been insulted, to the point of being spit on - you've basically been called a spineless wimp. I'm not so sure that is necessarily the case with women, or people, out in the "real world".
I really dislike the term "nice guy", always have. As you note, what the manosphere means when they use it is that you are a pushover, a supplicator, and a guy who puts women on a pedestal. None of which has ANYTHING to do with the adjective "nice", which really describes a friendly guy who is enjoyable to be around. A guy who might actually give you a ride to the auto parts store instead of telling you to fook off and driving away laughing.Chamber36 said:girls that like nice guys anyway. If they see me as a pushover and therefore don't respect me, they an fvck off, as I don't want to be disrespected nor strung along in any way.
Totally agree... Women just hijacked that word and laced it with a bad stigma. My persona, on the surface is of a nice guy (or what I would call "down to earth")zekko said:I really dislike the term "nice guy", always have. As you note, what the manosphere means when they use it is that you are a pushover, a supplicator, and a guy who puts women on a pedestal. None of which has ANYTHING to do with the adjective "nice", which really describes a friendly guy who is enjoyable to be around. A guy who might actually give you a ride to the auto parts store instead of telling you to fook off and driving away laughing.
PUAs say that women are the ones who started using "nice guy" to describe worthless males, as in "You're a nice guy, BUT....". However, I've heard too many women describe guys they are deeply into as "nice" to believe that. As in "He's sooooo nice".
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
It did when I was younger because for me it gave them "I'm not interested or I don't like them vibe". I agree with the earlier poster that quite confidence by itself is only very successful if you were ridiculouly good looking and most guys don't have that luxury....Konada said:Are there any cases when your quiet demeanor has given off the wrong vibe you want to portray to others?
Actually, I think it was butthurt men that came up with the "nice guy" stigma. Who do you think first said "Nice guys finish last"? It had to be some bitter fvck. Guys got disappointed because the woman they wanted chose some other better looking, more interesting, dude. So they proclaimed that life was unfair because they were NICE, and because they were NICE, that meant the world owed them.KingBeef said:Totally agree... Women just hijacked that word and laced it with a bad stigma.
Well I have been that guy in one point in my life so the term 'nice guy' definitely leaves a bad taste in my mouth.zekko said:Actually, I think it was butthurt men that came up with the "nice guy" stigma. Who do you think first said "Nice guys finish last"? It had to be some bitter fvck. Guys got disappointed because the woman they wanted chose some other better looking, more interesting, dude. So they proclaimed that life was unfair because they were NICE, and because they were NICE, that meant the world owed them.
Then PUAs took the term and ran with it. But they said that "nice guys" only did things to help other people because they were expecting something else in return. Which isn't nice at all. So none of it makes any real sense.
Sounds like you give a shyt what this chick says.Konada said:1. Outspoken/Vocal
2. Didn't give a shyt what they say
I have (2) down so I'm guessing the 'nice guy vibe' I gave off would be attributed to my quiet persona.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.