"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Can I get into the Lets Just be Friends Zone to make friends?

enamdar

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A lot of guys on here complain about the "Lets Just Be Friends Zone ". When they try to start a romantic relationship with a girl she says lets just be friends.

Do you think this is a good way to make friends? Its like the negotiation tactic where you make a huge false request, which makes your actual request seem minor.

IDK for me having "just friends" male or female would be a step up from where I'm now. Being a "shoulder to cry on" with no chance of anything more, would be a huge leap over total isolation.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Those LJBF friendships aren't real. So, to answer your question...no.

You're gonna have to make friends the old fashioned way. There's some good stuff in the DJ Bible about building a social circle.

If you want to make female friends, just talk to women without being sexual. Invite a coworker to lunch, something like that.
 

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ARrocket said:
If you want to make female friends, just talk to women without being sexual. Invite a coworker to lunch, something like that.
Isn't that basically a LJBF friendship? IDK you hear both AFCs and PUAs talk about the friendzone like its the worst thing in the world. But I mean if you have no friends, friendship is friendship.
 

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Isn't that basically a LJBF friendship? IDK you hear both AFCs and PUAs talk about the friendzone like its the worst thing in the world. But I mean if you have no friends, friendship is friendship.
Like ARrocket said LJBF doesn't really mean she wants to be friends with you, shes just trying to let you down lightly. Take on some active social hobbies to make real friends. Any type of martial art is a good starting point.
 

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Ok maybe I'm messing up two separate things LJBF rejection and the Friend Zone. What I'm interested in is how guys get into the friend zone.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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ah the irony of ljbfs lol, i had to realize this one the hard way

see, you really aren't friends. that's the kicker. a woman should be obligated to say "let's just be you the guy who calls me and i talk to you about all the **** i am getting while you fawn over me which you would never get, and let you take me out to eat everyonce in a while while i'm bored?'

oh but you aren't friends. not even close. a girl doesn't say hey girls what are you doing tonight, you are going clubbing and then going to get drinks afterwards! good let me call backbreaker and see if he wants to go lmao. **** doesn't work like that.

i remember my old ljbf oneitis, and hell we had known each other for about a decade, so we were about as close as "friends as you will find.

my old oneitis had some smokin hot friends i would have loved to hook up with but she would never let me hang out with them.




so in closing, it would be a good theory, if you actually were real friends, but you aren't so it's not
 
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Ok maybe I'm messing up two separate things LJBF rejection and the Friend Zone. What I'm interested in is how guys get into the friend zone.

I feel bad for you, man. It sucks that you're actually desperate to be some girl's emotional tampon. You know that's all the friend zone is, right? You are kept around to be taken advantage of - and not in a sexual way. If you want real friendship, do what EFFORT suggested.
 

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Well I assumed that since there so many guys on the internet complaining about the dreaded friendzone it was easy to get into.

So are you saying that even though the friendzone is so hated by guys, it actually is not easy to get into and takes as much work as a regular friendship?
 

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no it's actually quite easy to get into. take a girl on dates and make no moves, tell her your every waking thought and call her repeadtly, buy her ****, take her to dinner, you will be htere in no time.


(that seriously is like a forumla to get into it)

just saying that you really aren't their friend, you are a tampon. a friendship is a mutually benefiting relationship where i get something and they get something. there is nothing mutually benefiting about this relationship. you pick up the phone, she blabs about hte guys doing her wrong and goes **** guys, you jack off thinking about her. you take her out she eats you pay. and she keeps you away from her real friends.
 

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no it's actually quite easy to get into. take a girl on dates and make no moves, tell her your every waking thought and call her repeadtly, buy her ****, take her to dinner, you will be htere in no time.


(that seriously is like a forumla to get into it)

just saying that you really aren't their friend, you are a tampon. a friendship is a mutually benefiting relationship where i get something and they get something. there is nothing mutually benefiting about this relationship. you pick up the phone, she blabs about hte guys doing her wrong and goes **** guys, you jack off thinking about her. you take her out she eats you pay. and she keeps you away from her real friends.
That doesn't sound THAT easy. I mean you are taking her out on a date, even if it goes no where. Thats half the game right there. Ok thats one form of the FZ.

But I mean from reading forums, it seems like most FZs never even get that far. The girl never even has any idea the guy wants more. So how do I get into the FZ without having to ask the girl out?
 

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I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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enamdar said:
That doesn't sound THAT easy. I mean you are taking her out on a date, even if it goes no where. Thats half the game right there. Ok thats one form of the FZ.

But I mean from reading forums, it seems like most FZs never even get that far. The girl never even has any idea the guy wants more. So how do I get into the FZ without having to ask the girl out?
Take a dance class. Take a cooking class. Take a yoga class. Join a book club. Be around women. Lie to them and tell them you have a girlfriend. Disqualify yourself, but still express an interest in hanging out with them. Invite a girl out to lunch, to a play, something.

Make male friends, this is even more important.

Enamdar, how old are you?
 
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