"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Call after excuse

Mando

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Hey guys, so I'm talking to this one girl, known her for a while, felt she HAD interest in me although I'm not sure if she still does seeing as we haven't talked in a while, fvcked up and tried to make plans before rebuilding comfort and attraction, ended up getting a maybe, turns out she was "babysitting" tonight and doesn't think she'd be able to make it.

I know I should probably just next her, but she's still an option. What do you guys recommend doing next, calling to just say whatsup? I feel it wouldn't really go anywhere if I just called to ask how her day was etc etc, because she probably gets that a lot. Texting is probably an even worse idea, and I don't see her in person anymore since schools out. What would you guys do in this situation, call and try to chit chat, text and try to chit chat, ask again for another day?

Thanks in advance,
-Mando
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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In a situation like this where I think they lost all attraction in me, I would just start acted stupid and bring on the "jerk". Text her something like "hey ding dong, I'm kinda horny, gonna be masterbating tonight you should c*m." Don't even expect a response or care what she thinks, from this point treat her like one of the guys. You'd be pleasantly surprised if she starts "playing" back.
 

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Yeahhh I don't think thats gonna work haha. She'd probably just be creeped out and never respond to a text again. I'm thinking of just calling her in a couple days, talking for a bit, and telling her that we should hangout. Idk if I should bring up the haunted house again though that seems like a lost cause haha.
 

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jacob said:
In a situation like this where I think they lost all attraction in me, I would just start acted stupid and bring on the "jerk". Text her something like "hey ding dong, I'm kinda horny, gonna be masterbating tonight you should c*m." Don't even expect a response or care what she thinks, from this point treat her like one of the guys. You'd be pleasantly surprised if she starts "playing" back.
hope you are kidding.

Anyways, I would just not contact her for a couple of days maybe even a week or so unless she trys to make some contact back at you. If she is interested then she will make a move since she canceled on you already. Interested girls will make a raincheck.
 

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Err0r said:
hope you are kidding.

Anyways, I would just not contact her for a couple of days maybe even a week or so unless she trys to make some contact back at you. If she is interested then she will make a move since she canceled on you already. Interested girls will make a raincheck.
This is true. I listened to a friend of mine last time that said don't contact her until she contacts you, ended up not talking for a month >_<. But yeah, this is what I was leaning towards, although I'm not even sure if she still has attraction for me, which is what I'm trying to build back up. Just not really sure how frequently I should be calling and when I should ask her out again. Thanks again.

-Mando
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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jacob

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Err0r said:
hope you are kidding.

Anyways, I would just not contact her for a couple of days maybe even a week or so unless she trys to make some contact back at you. If she is interested then she will make a move since she canceled on you already. Interested girls will make a raincheck.
I'm not kidding. You're probably already boring to her. Either she feels you want to get serious with the lovey dovey AFC behavior and that's what starts to drive her away. But if you "play" around with her and keep it light, nothing serious, then she'll start to communicate again. And it doesn't have to be the ding dong masterbate stuff I posted, but something along those lines that'll loosen her up.
 

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jacob said:
I'm not kidding. You're probably already boring to her. Either she feels you want to get serious with the lovey dovey AFC behavior and that's what starts to drive her away. But if you "play" around with her and keep it light, nothing serious, then she'll start to communicate again. And it doesn't have to be the ding dong masterbate stuff I posted, but something along those lines that'll loosen her up.
I still think she just wouldn't return calls. I don't want to be lovey dovey and whatnot, I'd rather just call, chit chat, call, chit chat, then call and maybe ask if she wants to meet at xx on wednesday or something. Was just curious if anyone thinks this approach would work so that I could build comfort with her again and possibly attraction. Thanks again by the way.

-Mando
 

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Called a couple hours ago and left a voicemail, no response, guess its time to move on haha? >_<
 

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this is very typical of females. don't be discouraged. eff it, just act stupid to her from here on, this is how you build attraction. Jerk style
 
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