"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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burn the bridge or reach out?

iliketennis

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i hung out with this girl from high school (now 7 years after graduating) last december. we had a fun night, but when i tried to kiss her she said she doesn't do that casually, or something like that. then after she left she sent a text something like "maybe next time." i didn't talk to her for a few months.

now i'm vacationing in the city where she lives (she is 100s of miles away from where i live) and we met up 2 nights ago. me her and 5 others had a fun night, lots of drinks, conversation. we go down to the beach and are talking alone, i try to kiss her again and she says no, she's afraid of getting hurt, we live so far apart, and some other excuses.

i kept my cool through the whole situation saying stuff like i'm attracted to you (she said she was too), i don't want to be your friend, etc. she started crying and i told her don't worry, i am going to be fine.. this is no big deal.

honestly if the chick is not interested in me sexually it's fine... i have plenty of plates spinning and am not worried about this one. it's just that we went to hs together, have a lot of mutual friends.. i'm afraid to burn the bridge. she left the cab without saying goodbye. should i reach out and say anything? leave things how they are?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Cry For Love

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leave it be bro tons of girls out there. check em out go out maybe go get beers etc gl
 

Chromeo

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dude you made the girl cry, by trying to kiss her.

you shouldnt have told her you were attracted to her, you tried to kiss her, she gets the picture. second of all you should have not told her you didnt want to be her friend. Why would she want to talk to you? You basically told her the only worth she has to you is sex. And guess what, you hurt her.

you were to worried about banging her than just having fun. and she could smell it.
 

iliketennis

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how could i have handled the situation better?

and what would you recommend i do now, if anything, so i don't seem like such a jerk?
 

Chromeo

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first of all you should not be worried about what you seem like to anyone.

where you messed up is when this girl initially told you "she doesnt do that casually"

This girl seems like the kinda girl that likes to seemingly be in a relationship before anything transpires. What you should have done is just had fun with her and kissed her on the cheek good night and left it at that.

if you wanted to pursue something with her you should have continued to go out and have fun with her. That doesnt mean hiding your sexuality tho.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Pimp-sicle

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Question: Why does this chick seem to assume that by you kissing her she'll somehow get hurt? Seems like she somehow thinks that if she kisses you back it will mean that you guys are somehow dating.... I know that doesn't make much sense, but she seems to be freakin out over a kiss and/or totally lying to you.

Girls that are attracted to guys don't repeatedly pull away from them when they try to make advances.

Does she know your dating several women? What was your reputation in hs? If you pulled tons of tail in hs maybe that's where her "I don't want to get hurt" thoughts come from possibly.

Either way this chick has low interest, but doesn't want to lose contact with you since you've known eachother for so long.

No point in reaching out to her, unless you want to be her buddy.





PIMP
 

iliketennis

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wasn't a pimp in hs. i guess i should've seen this coming.

this forum's philosophy and pickup in general is all new to me. cutting off contact and not apologizing to someone like this makes me feel bad.

although to be fair i do think she led me on just a tiny bit
 
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