"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Seriously, be a man and do it in person.

For an added bonus, I'd just tell her there's someone else in your life that you want to pursue. You're not dumping her out of spite, you found something better. You could also casually mention how you didn't see the two of you being long-term, anyway.

It doesn't matter what the truth is. Remember, perception is reality, so you can make it how you want.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Letters are BS.

Keep it simple. Meet her somewhere, say you don't think she is a good match for you, and you've decided to move on.

THE END.

Don't play 20 questions, you don't have to explain yourself. Depending on how much you care about her you can console her for a bit, but just repeat the message - you've moving on, that's it.
 

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So you're recommending he lie to make himself seem more attractive to someone he doesn't want to see anymore? Yeah, that would display a lot of integrity and character.

Effington said:
Seriously, be a man and do it in person.

For an added bonus, I'd just tell her there's someone else in your life that you want to pursue. You're not dumping her out of spite, you found something better. You could also casually mention how you didn't see the two of you being long-term, anyway.

It doesn't matter what the truth is. Remember, perception is reality, so you can make it how you want.
 

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Ever heard the saying treat others how you want to be treated?

Being a DJ doesn't mean having no respect for others.

Play the Game said:
I agree with the guy above... nail her in the ass till she can't walk the next day, then kick her to the curb.
 

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On Point said:
So you're recommending he lie to make himself seem more attractive to someone he doesn't want to see anymore?
He's not lying--he does want to pursue other women. There's someone else...anyone but her. As the saying goes, don't hate the player, hate the game.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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On Point said:
Ever heard the saying treat others how you want to be treated?

Being a DJ doesn't mean having no respect for others.

You can't go from total AFC to kind and generous man in one step kiddo. Besides she's cheating on him, so she's not respecting him. Why would you give respect to someone who obviously has none for you? That's why AFCs are here in the first place.
 

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Hahahahaha, wow, you've taken it personal and outside the cooking thread. I've won, you've lost control of yourself and let me get to you. Wow, hahahaha.

Yet again, KarmaSutra demonstrates his superb ability of selective reading.

Aussiegoat: [[but I think it would be much better to do it in person, shows you have the balls]]

I take none of you b!tches' bullsh!t to heart. It does infuriate me that some of you clowns give sh!tty advice and help promote a guys' AFC-ness.

I read what you wrote but if you meant it you wouldn't have rewritten his pvssy note.

And to note one thing you did say right, I do have superb abilities. One is detecting dumbsh!t, Two is making those accountable for thier own decisions.

I'll keep working on you brother. I do a lot of things but give up isn't one of them.
 

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The Juan and only said:
You know, you can "man up" without turning into a fvcking assh0le. If he knows she's cheated, then your advice is fine. But he don't know sh1t. No need to blow your top like some out-of-control emotional wreck who's only recourse in life is to make himself feel good by hurting others.

seriously.
Oh did I offend your strong sense of nobility and morality?

As far as this post has been going I believe we have all agreed that she is cheating.

I always treat women like that anyway, I do not cuddle and kiss after sex I want them out and I do not want to argue about it. There are very few women that I let stay around. Who said I am 'blowing my top'? 'Blowing my top' would be screaming, I want the women out I take her out calmly.

What would you do? sit down and have a talk? so she could call you 100 times after the break up and cry on the phone? So she has hope of getting back together?

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No need to blow your top like some out-of-control emotional wreck who's only recourse in life is to make himself feel good by hurting others.
As for the psychoanalysis it has nothing to do with making me feel good I do not feel anything, I do it because it needs to be done. You may feel all warm inside when you lay beside a chick you just slept with your arms around her, pressed up, a tear in the corner of your eye. For me that does nothing.

By the way if you are this naive I do not know how you will ever get laid. Re-read the letter he makes it pretty clear that he thinks she is cheating.
 

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NickBe said:
he thinks she is cheating.

Doesnt mean she is. I'm saying there's no need to get pissy when you don't know sh1t. Of course don't let people disrespect you, but don't become a revenge mad assh0le either. no need for it. In fact I'd say only pathetic, hurt people need to do such things.

And you're very defensive for someone who "doesnt have emotions". Sort yourself out, man.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Not defensive trying to get my point across. Even if she didn't cheat it is very clear she disrespected him. You suggest that he should not let people disrespect him so what is it?

I have a question for you, why these days does every man and woman consider him/herself an amateur psychologists? When somebody does something that because of your overbought sense of morality you think is wrong you automatically decide that the person is an emotional wreck that gets off on hurting others. Is that really the case though? What is your experience with psychology? It sounds to me like it is guess work from a person who's experience with psychology is a compilation of Hollywood movies and current affair programs.

Another question, is it better to hurt people directly or indirectly? Most of these morally flooded people like you do not hurt people directly because they do not have the strength to do it. They do it indirectly so they need not put the blame on themselves.

One more questions.

If you break up with a woman like you would (like a nice guy would) do you think its better she spend the next 6 months trying to win the guy back while other parts of her life fall apart?

If instead you are harsh and throw her out like I would she will tell herself you are an ******* get over you in a few weeks and continue living her life. Would that not be better for her?

You misunderstand me, to survive in this world I need to create an illusion. I need to act as if I have emotions so any glimmer of emotions you see is just that.
 

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What's wrong with going a little revenge mad assh0le? I think it would be a welcome change for some of the symps on this site and help them develop some type of back bone.
 

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NickBe said:
Not defensive trying to get my point across. Even if she didn't cheat it is very clear she disrespected him. You suggest that he should not let people disrespect him so what is it?

I have a question for you, why these days does every man and woman consider him/herself an amateur psychologists? When somebody does something that because of your overbought sense of morality you think is wrong you automatically decide that the person is an emotional wreck that gets off on hurting others. Is that really the case though? What is your experience with psychology? It sounds to me like it is guess work from a person who's experience with psychology is a compilation of Hollywood movies and current affair programs.

Another question, is it better to hurt people directly or indirectly? Most of these morally flooded people like you do not hurt people directly because they do not have the strength to do it. They do it indirectly so they need not put the blame on themselves.

One more questions.

If you break up with a woman like you would (like a nice guy would) do you think its better she spend the next 6 months trying to win the guy back while other parts of her life fall apart?

If instead you are harsh and throw her out like I would she will tell herself you are an ******* get over you in a few weeks and continue living her life. Would that not be better for her?

You misunderstand me, to survive in this world I need to create an illusion. I need to act as if I have emotions so any glimmer of emotions you see is just that.

I experience psychology every day of my life. And tbh, I agree with some of the things you say. But your attitudes are responses are far disproportionate to the situation. Almost every time. You demand people treat you with respect, but you don't afford that same benefit to others. So, some b1tch throws your belongings out of your house, locks you out and throws mud in your face -- without evidence that you've done anything to her. How would you react to that, may I ask?

Women are human beings, and yes you should end a bad relationship, directly and definitively, but don't spend your life treating people like **** because you think it's somehow "better for them" or in your mind, you understand them better than they do. And besides, that wasn't what your advice was about and you know it.
 

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What's wrong with going a little revenge mad assh0le? I think it would be a welcome change for some of the symps on this site and help them develop some type of back bone.
Because someone with a healthy personality shouldn't need to do that sh1t. Sometimes revenge is called for, but nickBe always goes too far imo
 

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The Juan and only said:
I experience psychology every day of my life. And tbh, I agree with some of the things you say. But your attitudes are responses are far disproportionate to the situation. Almost every time. You demand people treat you with respect, but you don't afford that same benefit to others. So, some b1tch throws your belongings out of your house, locks you out and throws mud in your face -- without evidence that you've done anything to her. How would you react to that, may I ask?

Women are human beings, and yes you should end a bad relationship, directly and definitively, but don't spend your life treating people like **** because you think it's somehow "better for them" or in your mind, you understand them better than they do. And besides, that wasn't what your advice was about and you know it.
Well your psychology is flawed and inaccurate.

I do not do it out of nobility because I think it is better for them. Again you are assuming, I just posed the question to you I did not suggest that it is why I do it. I do not do it for her it has nothing to do with her. I do it because I do not care about her feelings, at the end of the one night stand I tell her to get out. If a woman does it to me I would get dressed and go home.

I do not treat people like **** I treat my friends well. Look the bottom line is that I do it because it's in my nature and I won't change. It works for me.

You know what the amusing thing is. Women know my reputation they know these things about me that after sex I throw the woman out and that I am not interested in pursuing anything beyond just sex. They know all this but they still come home with me, they let me do it. What does that tell you about women? Before you come in with your cheap psychology these women do not have low self esteem we are talking attractive, well educated, smart women.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

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Someone with a "healthy personality", wouldn't feel the need to write a supplicating letter to his gf when he finds out she's cheating on him either...

So we've established that the poster doesn't have a healthy personality and therefore is not bound by the dr. phil code of conduct. So i think he can do any sh1t he likes. :)
 

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NickBe said:
Well your psychology is flawed and inaccurate.

I do not do it out of nobility because I think it is better for them. Again you are assuming, I just posed the question to you I did not suggest that it is why I do it. I do not do it for her it has nothing to do with her. I do it because I do not care about her feelings, at the end of the one night stand I tell her to get out. If a woman does it to me I would get dressed and go home.

I do not treat people like **** I treat my friends well. Look the bottom line is that I do it because it's in my nature and I won't change. It works for me.

You know what the amusing thing is. Women know my reputation they know these things about me that after sex I throw the woman out and that I am not interested in pursuing anything beyond just sex. They know all this but they still come home with me, they let me do it. What does that tell you about women? Before you come in with your cheap psychology these women do not have low self esteem we are talking attractive, well educated, smart women.
It tells me they want to use you for a quick fvck. Because they know there's no strings. Nothing more than a dildo they want to masturbate on. Maybe they're horny, maybe they're a slvt. If that's fine with you, then fine. But don't give other people advice, because if you are as you say, then you do not understand normal people. so don't try to help them.

Also, so now you're saying you are willing to let people disrespect you? lie to you, be rude, throw you out without warning?

ok, though that's not what you were saying earlier....
 

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Someone with a "healthy personality", wouldn't feel the need to write a supplicating letter to his gf when he finds out she's cheating on him either...

So we've established that the poster doesn't have a healthy personality and therefore is not bound by the dr. phil code of conduct. So i think he can do any sh1t he likes. :)

Someone doesnt have a healthy personality, so that makes anything ok right?

no no, of course they shouldn't try to address their issues, that's silly. Make it worse I say!

Why should anyone do anything for others in fact? I think I might crack open the back of my CFC fridge and shout "yeaaah! let's fvck this place up" :rolleyes:
 

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I'm not going to argue morality with you, that's subjective, i just dissected your argument and proved it to be false.
 

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I'm not going to argue morality with you, i just dissected your argument and proved it to be false.
Actually, you just misunderstood what I originally meant. I wasnt saying the poster had a healthy personality. I was talking in general.

he should aim to get one, though. And that was the point.
 

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You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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