"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Breaking the ice

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Although I'm 20, I still have a lot of friends in high school. I'm in a fraternity and I'm close with a high school clique; seeing how both operate in the social scenes, it is like they're on completely different planets. If there's one thing that I've noticed high school people mess up a lot in, it is breaking the ice. For the most part, I think everyone have pretty good social skills and know how to keep a conversation going; it is that hump of trying to get that conversation going that's the trouble.

One thing I discovered a couple years back is that pick up game doesn't only apply to cold approaches. If there's a girl you've only met a couple of times briefly, then the tactics of pick up are well applied. Being in a fraternity, I find myself constantly meeting women, especially in groups. We have these things called "socials" where we hang out with another sorority. My brothers aren't socially awkward, but it takes a bit long for them to break the ice. Me? My nickname is Ice Pick because I'm the one always breaking the ice.

When it comes to groups of women, my favourite "routine" is to ask them a vague but thought inducing question that will have them all involved in the conversation, one I used recently is "Excuse me girls, I have to ask, what do you girls think would be a good gift for a girl?" Sounds familiar? This is Mystery's routine to handling a group of women. It works wonders, you won't believe the results. Not only does it move the wheels forward, but in just a couple of minutes, you'll have established a level with EVERYONE in that group. Girls LOVE to talk and you'll find yourself talking about this subject for at least 20 minutes.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I wouldn't necessarily put it that way, but the principles of pick up apply to all areas of game. IMO all that negging, DHV stuff I don't believe in; I feel fake using it. But yeah using canned material is a good way to break the ice.
 

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War Against Betaism said:
Although I'm 20, I still have a lot of friends in high school. I'm in a fraternity and I'm close with a high school clique; seeing how both operate in the social scenes, it is like they're on completely different planets. If there's one thing that I've noticed high school people mess up a lot in, it is breaking the ice. For the most part, I think everyone have pretty good social skills and know how to keep a conversation going; it is that hump of trying to get that conversation going that's the trouble.

One thing I discovered a couple years back is that pick up game doesn't only apply to cold approaches. If there's a girl you've only met a couple of times briefly, then the tactics of pick up are well applied. Being in a fraternity, I find myself constantly meeting women, especially in groups. We have these things called "socials" where we hang out with another sorority. My brothers aren't socially awkward, but it takes a bit long for them to break the ice. Me? My nickname is Ice Pick because I'm the one always breaking the ice.

When it comes to groups of women, my favourite "routine" is to ask them a vague but thought inducing question that will have them all involved in the conversation, one I used recently is "Excuse me girls, I have to ask, what do you girls think would be a good gift for a girl?" Sounds familiar? This is Mystery's routine to handling a group of women. It works wonders, you won't believe the results. Not only does it move the wheels forward, but in just a couple of minutes, you'll have established a level with EVERYONE in that group. Girls LOVE to talk and you'll find yourself talking about this subject for at least 20 minutes.
What college you go to? And would you recommend joining a frat? Im going to college this fall and ive kinda been leaning away from the whole frat thing, simply cuz I gotta do good in school, dont wanna get distracted, and I just think the whole frat thing will be way too much for a freshman.

And do you usually party with people just in your frat and sororities? Or do people not in the frat party with you as well?
 

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eaglez1177 said:
What college you go to? And would you recommend joining a frat? Im going to college this fall and ive kinda been leaning away from the whole frat thing, simply cuz I gotta do good in school, dont wanna get distracted, and I just think the whole frat thing will be way too much for a freshman.

And do you usually party with people just in your frat and sororities? Or do people not in the frat party with you as well?
I'm in a fraternity and I have to freshman year might be too much for you to handle, especially if you aren't used to the workload of your school. In a fraternity you party with pretty much everyone, usually you hold socials like OP said or mixers which are like the same thing with another sorority. That's always a plus, you have something to instantly connect with those girls in that you're in the Greek community. However what's also good is that girls that just want to party come to frat parties as well.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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eaglez1177 said:
What college you go to? And would you recommend joining a frat? Im going to college this fall and ive kinda been leaning away from the whole frat thing, simply cuz I gotta do good in school, dont wanna get distracted, and I just think the whole frat thing will be way too much for a freshman.

And do you usually party with people just in your frat and sororities? Or do people not in the frat party with you as well?
Cal State Long Beach. I would recommend joining a frat, but you also have to carefully pick which one you decide to join. Not ALL fraternities will get you pvssy. Like Arcbound says, I wouldn't recommend joining one at your freshmen year. Plus after a year in school you will have better judgment of which fraternity you will want to join. And I still party with my friends that aren't in my fraternity; I try not to make my fraternity my life.
 
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