Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Real Life Applications?

[lookyoung]

I am a practictioner of brazilian jiu-jitsu and this is the greatest martial art in the world for real life applications. Reasons being.

1. Training is done at 100 percent unlike traditonal martial arts.
2. Everyone on the street knows how to throw a punch yet noone knows anything about ground fighting.
3. Brazilian jiu-jitsu was tested by the gracie family for years and was made for an actual street fight. They used to have no holds barred fights in brazil.

Add in muythai and you are a complete fighter. These are probably the two best arts for a real street fight.

 

[Reyaj]

I am a practictioner of brazilian jiu-jitsu and this is the greatest martial art in the world for real life applications. Reasons being.

1. Training is done at 100 percent unlike traditonal martial arts.
2. Everyone on the street knows how to throw a punch yet noone knows anything about ground fighting.
3. Brazilian jiu-jitsu was tested by the gracie family for years and was made for an actual street fight. They used to have no holds barred fights in brazil.

Add in muythai and you are a complete fighter. These are probably the two best arts for a real street fight.

I just dont like the idea of automatically trying to take a fight to the ground. if thats where you end up thats finel... but if you are in a street fight are you really looking to bring it to the ground right away? Tell me of your experiences with this...

 

[6-heads lewis]

Please, if you want to learn about real life, go to street fighting forums. read about Geoff Thompson, "Awesome" John Anderson, talk to some bouncers, hell talk to guys who just got out of prison. Look at all the baddest mofos out there, the homeless or gangbanging teenagers, the petty crooks, youll never see them lifting weights, taking protein supplements, washing their gi or breaking boards. If they do any martial arts, its almost always boxing. There usually wiry, lanky and tall. If they are big, its natural, mostly fat. None of this bodybuilding sh!t.


You dont want to end up on the ground. bad sh!t can happen from there, and its hard to run away. You have to be willing and able to choke the guy out or break some bones, none of this 'tap' bull****. You let the guy go and he'll keep going, this time knowing not to go to the ground. he'll probably say 'ok you won' and offer to shake your hand or pretend to be buddies, and then sucker punch or headbutt you.

Remmeber that while your applying your advanced jiu jtisu he'll be biting, clawing, spitting, etc.

assuming there are no weapons and its a 1v1 fight: headbutt, punch on the jaw or throat, knees. Hit first and hit hard, keep hitting on the jaw until hes KOed, or if he's a better fighter than you, run away as soon as possible.

if there are weapons or multiple opponents: run away

street fighters are better fighters than martial artists. if you insist on training martial arts: the pure punch of a boxer (mostly right hand followed by left hook), knees and low-kicks of muay thai, crash course in wrestling or judo, focusing on the upper body, and focusing on throws where you falls to the ground, but you stay on your feet.

 

[lookyoung]

I just dont like the idea of automatically trying to take a fight to the ground. if thats where you end up thats finel... but if you are in a street fight are you really looking to bring it to the ground right away? Tell me of your experiences with this...

If I am in a streetfight I am looking to get into a good clinch. For example I want double underhooks or I want to control is head.

When I am able to do this I will take the fight to the ground and I will be in a dominant postion. I will be mount or side mount.

Believe me guys if you take brazilian jiu-jitsu for 6 months and you mount a guy the fights over. I can mount someone that is 50 pounds heavier than me. A street fighter will never escape my mount. He will burn out so fast.

Gracie jiu-jitsu teaches your either in or out. So your either too close for him to get a good punch or your too far for him to reach you. BJJ is the greatest martial art in the world for self defense.

you never want to be in a postion were a guy catches you at the end of his punch.

 

[lookyoung]

Please, if you want to learn about real life, go to street fighting forums. read about Geoff Thompson, "Awesome" John Anderson, talk to some bouncers, hell talk to guys who just got out of prison. Look at all the baddest mofos out there, the homeless or gangbanging teenagers, the petty crooks, youll never see them lifting weights, taking protein supplements, washing their gi or breaking boards. If they do any martial arts, its almost always boxing. There usually wiry, lanky and tall. If they are big, its natural, mostly fat. None of this bodybuilding sh!t.


You dont want to end up on the ground. bad sh!t can happen from there, and its hard to run away. You have to be willing and able to choke the guy out or break some bones, none of this 'tap' bull****. You let the guy go and he'll keep going, this time knowing not to go to the ground. he'll probably say 'ok you won' and offer to shake your hand or pretend to be buddies, and then sucker punch or headbutt you.

Remmeber that while your applying your advanced jiu jtisu he'll be biting, clawing, spitting, etc.

assuming there are no weapons and its a 1v1 fight: headbutt, punch on the jaw or throat, knees. Hit first and hit hard, keep hitting on the jaw until hes KOed, or if he's a better fighter than you, run away as soon as possible.

if there are weapons or multiple opponents: run away

street fighters are better fighters than martial artists. if you insist on training martial arts: the pure punch of a boxer (mostly right hand followed by left hook), knees and low-kicks of muay thai, crash course in wrestling or judo, focusing on the upper body, and focusing on throws where you falls to the ground, but you stay on your feet.

Streetfighters are not better fighters than martial artists. Do you mean to tell me some guy from the street who drinks,smokes is going to beat me at my own game. I don't think so buddy.

A bjj guy will kick a boxers ass any day of the week. BJJ is the closest thing to a real fight. Boxing is more of a sport. The early UFC proves this. I would love to take a fight down to the ground. 95% of fights end up on the ground. Watch some streetfights it makes me laugh the way these guys punch. I could actually see there punches coming from a mile away.

If you don't believe me go to a local bjj school and roll with a couple of guys . You will have a new respect for the art.

 

[WORKEROUTER]

BJJ is a great art. It is very realistic and gives an opponent a huge advantage over people with no ground game.

To the guy who said people can bite and spit. That's always going to be true. But a person skilled in ground fighting will be in a much better position.

Plus, remember that both people can punch and spit, including the BJJ guy.

And BJJ isn't all about "going to the ground." The truth is taht by learning hwo to ground fight effectively, you can DECREASE your chances of ending up on the bottom. And IF YOU DO end up on the bottom, you'll be able to quickly get out and dominate into a top position.

The force of BJJ and ground fighting is amazing. Try rolling with an advanced grappler. You'll be amazed at how helpless you feel every second. You'll feel like you can't even do ANYTHING. Imagine that every little placement of your leg, arm, body etc is putting him into a more dominant position, opening up submissions, and even fatiguing you.

Thai boxing and boxing are of course amazing as well. A strong thai boxer will be able to crush your leg with a couple kicks. I've witnessed a person get their arm broken by one kick.

And who would want to be caught in the flurry of punches that a good boxer would deliver? The timing, footwork, motion...just as you try to throw your cross he'll have put you in a position of punishment.

The point is that every one of these arts is so beneficial and amazing.

But if you want to be a great fighter, you'll need to train in all of them. You'll need to be able to dominate your opponent from the moment he squares off to the point that you finish him. That requires training, discipline, instinct, and the ability to rationalize and keep control in even the most adrenaline rushed situation.

 

[WORKEROUTER]

If I am in a streetfight I am looking to get into a good clinch. For example I want double underhooks or I want to control is head.

When I am able to do this I will take the fight to the ground and I will be in a dominant postion. I will be mount or side mount.

Believe me guys if you take brazilian jiu-jitsu for 6 months and you mount a guy the fights over. I can mount someone that is 50 pounds heavier than me. A street fighter will never escape my mount. He will burn out so fast.

Gracie jiu-jitsu teaches your either in or out. So your either too close for him to get a good punch or your too far for him to reach you. BJJ is the greatest martial art in the world for self defense.

you never want to be in a postion were a guy catches you at the end of his punch.

A street fighter would be in general a better fighter than the self-proclaimed martial artists.

They have developed an innate sense of how to deal with MANY MANY opponents in all circumstances. You can't learn that.

 

[6-heads lewis]

UFC is not a street fighting sim

the reaosn i have a street fighter ahead as tops is that he's not afraid, he can deal with adrenal dumps, he has little to lose, and no shame. most importantly, he's experienced in difficult situations.

fighting a bjj guy in a bjj contest is a bad idea.
fighting a boxer in the ring is a bad idea.
fighting a street fighter on the street is a very bad idea.

i dont mean to discredit any martial art, just to point out that neither are as good as experience, petty weapons, and a criminal mentality.

 

[lookyoung]

UFC is not a street fighting sim i dont mean to discredit any martial art, just to point out that neither are as good as experience, petty weapons, and a criminal mentality.

Your right its not street fighting but it is the closest thing to a streetfight. Closer than boxing or any other sport. Now do you mean to tell me that s streetfighter could take on randy coutoure or matt hughes, or st pierre. I don't care how crazy he is or what kind of mentality he has. You must be smoking some good stuff if you think that.

I have been in many streetfights and I have learned more in bjj training than I have in any streetfight.

BTW I don't receommend fighting if your outnumbered or if someone has a gun, bjj or anything else will not work.

 

[Methuselah]

Yeah, you're hardpressed to find anyone better conditioned than a pro boxer.

The other thing about boxing is that those guys train a lot and usually have excellent conditioning. Plus they get hit over and over again so they can take a punch.

Anyone who is trained in a serious, effective martial arts can destroy a pro boxer (western style). For example, kickboxers can destroy boxers. Anyone who can use their feet in addition to their hands has a tremendous advantage over a boxer. I've fought and sparred several men who were boxers, and due to the fact that they don't expect and/or can't react to a knee, kick, or any other variation of footwork. Not to discredit any boxer, because their art is intense and extremely effective, but it can't and won't standup against a freestyle/streetfighter/or martial artist who is equally skilled. From my personal experience anyway.

 

[Methuselah]

BJJ is highly effective in streetfighting as well, considering most people who fight don't really know how to, and 6/10 times the fight turns into a grappling contest which is likely to head to the ground. I am certainly not the best in BJJ, I have some training, but I've sparred some really good BJJ guys and I've never felt so powerless in my life, and I'm not pushover. People who REALLY know what they are doing can have you disabled and helpless in a matter of seconds.

 

[6-heads lewis]

Your right its not street fighting but it is the closest thing to a streetfight. Closer than boxing or any other sport. Now do you mean to tell me that s streetfighter could take on randy coutoure or matt hughes, or st pierre. I don't care how crazy he is or what kind of mentality he has. You must be smoking some good stuff if you think that.

I have been in many streetfights and I have learned more in bjj training than I have in any streetfight.

BTW I don't receommend fighting if your outnumbered or if someone has a gun, bjj or anything else will not work.

Nobody here will ever reach the level of any world-class fighter. Those guys are extremely rare, and are near-experts and everything. Someone who tries to emulate them will spend a lot of time learn several martial arts, they will be decent at all, but not deadly with either.

In a bar, guy A is below-average in BJJ, wrestling, kickboxing, judo, and boxing. Guy B has 1-punch KO power, above-average strength, knows basic low-kicks and knees, basic greco-roman wrestling, and knows how to sprawl.

If guy B lands the first shot its basically over. He has repeated the same few moves so many times they are instinctual, its not like UFC where you know your opponents months in advance, and can plan accordingly. In a bar fight, you have to react entirely on training and instinct, there is no thought.

Size is often scoffed at by BJJ guys, and unjustly. While its true an expert 170lb BJJ guy might be able to outmaneuver a 250lber in a cage fight with rules, if you have a 250lb puncher vs a 170lb decent MMA amateur in a flash bar fight, I would bet on the 250lber.

This isnt a theoretical discussion of who would win, but rather a discussion on how to win a flash fight. And in my opinion, the best answer is to strike first and hard, and then run away.

 

[Methuselah]

Guy B has 1-punch KO power, above-average strength, knows basic low-kicks and knees, basic greco-roman wrestling, and knows how to sprawl.

You've just described Pankration, a martial art.

 

[6-heads lewis]

I had no idea. Is that the influence behind Pancrase tournaments? From what I understand, they don't allow punches to the head?

Thanks for the heads-up, that's the kind of fighter Id like to be, Ill look into it.

 

[Methuselah]

Yeah, in their formal matches they don't have punches to the face. But the martial art as a whole certainly teaches it, a very ancient style that was recently revived. It is the hand to hand combat that city-states like Sparta and Athens used as well as the early Roman empire. Quite deadly, very good for bigger framed guys. I study it and it works very well for me. Forceful, strong, and to the point.

 

[Reyaj]

If I am in a streetfight I am looking to get into a good clinch. For example I want double underhooks or I want to control is head.

When I am able to do this I will take the fight to the ground and I will be in a dominant postion. I will be mount or side mount.

Believe me guys if you take brazilian jiu-jitsu for 6 months and you mount a guy the fights over. I can mount someone that is 50 pounds heavier than me. A street fighter will never escape my mount. He will burn out so fast.

Gracie jiu-jitsu teaches your either in or out. So your either too close for him to get a good punch or your too far for him to reach you. BJJ is the greatest martial art in the world for self defense.

you never want to be in a postion were a guy catches you at the end of his punch.

Can you explan how/why Ken Shamrock was beating the snot of Gracie in their 2nd fight... and why Vitor Belfort who is a black belt in BJJ resorts to boxing and rarely uses his submissions?

 

[lookyoung]

Can you explan how/why Ken Shamrock was beating the snot of Gracie in their 2nd fight... and why Vitor Belfort who is a black belt in BJJ resorts to boxing and rarely uses his submissions?

Ken Shamrock did not beat the fvck out of gracie in there second fight. He just laid in his guard all day, and buried his face in his chest. He did catch him with a punch after they stood them up, but it was a glancing blow. If they had the 4 ounce UFC gloves the punch would have done nothing to him. The jiu-jitsu was not as advanced as it is today. If shamrock would have done that with some one like BJ penn he would have been sweeped and mounted within 30 seconds.

Vitor belfort uses boxing because he is a better boxer than he is at BJJ.:trouble:

 

[Reyaj]

Ken Shamrock did not beat the fvck out of gracie in there second fight. He just laid in his guard all day, and buried his face in his chest. He did catch him with a punch after they stood them up, but it was a glancing blow. If they had the 4 ounce UFC gloves the punch would have done nothing to him. The jiu-jitsu was not as advanced as it is today. If shamrock would have done that with some one like BJ penn he would have been sweeped and mounted within 30 seconds.

Vitor belfort uses boxing because he is a better boxer than he is at BJJ.:trouble:

I guess I didn't see the whole fight... but the clips I seen it looked like Gracie was just in the guard position while Shamrock was beating on him..... But as far as BJJ being advanced..... didn't Gracie found the art? Are you saying BJ Penn could submit a prime Royce Gracie?

Well anyway I don't know how well you follow the UFC and MMA but there was another match recently between some 2nd degree BJJ master from Brazil and this guy named Huerta who is a wrestler. Basically the BJJ guy just laid in the guard position while Huerta continually beat on him....

When I see the BJJ guys resort to that guard and just get beat on and beat on constantly it discourages me...

 

[lookyoung]

I guess I didn't see the whole fight... but the clips I seen it looked like Gracie was just in the guard position while Shamrock was beating on him..... But as far as BJJ being advanced..... didn't Gracie found the art? Are you saying BJ Penn could submit a prime Royce Gracie?

Well anyway I don't know how well you follow the UFC and MMA but there was another match recently between some 2nd degree BJJ master from Brazil and this guy named Huerta who is a wrestler. Basically the BJJ guy just laid in the guard position while Huerta continually beat on him....

When I see the BJJ guys resort to that guard and just get beat on and beat on constantly it discourages me...

Jayer follow the sport. Every fighter that fights in the UFC is a purple belt in bjj minimum. Huerta may even be a blackbelt himself I am not sure. All these fighters have at least a few years training in bjj.

If I wanted to fight mma and could choose to be a bjj worldchamp, Gold medalist wrestler, or world champ boxing, I would be an olympic gold medalist wrestler. Reason being is you teach a gold medalist 2 years of bjj he will be hard to submit by any bjj guy. Wrestlers have a great base and they are hard as hell to sweep.

Wrestling has the advantage because they train all out for 5 minutes nonstop. In bjj matches you don't go all out. You can relax. So in MMA the advantage is to the wrestler who knows a little bit of bjj.

But if you do style vs. style with no time limit. A pure wrestler vs. Pure BJJ than the bjj artist comes out on top. The wrestler will get submitted.

 

[Phyzzle]

MMA itself is rapidly becoming a martial art. Or rather, the martial art.

In a few years, no one will be going to a BJJ dojo and a Muay Thai gym. The traditional divisions will vanish. You'll just go to a MMA gym with a few instructors.

People who want to learn basketball don't go to a shooting school, then get a 2nd degree belt in Korean dribbling, then an orange belt in Indonesian-style passing. They just work on the sport, with occasional input from an experienced coach.