Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Real Life Applications?

[Belisarius]

The reason I got into BJJ was because I wrestled for 4 years in highschool and my little 160 pound friend who was a purple belt in BJJ would whoop my ass wrestling in his apartment. I'm 235 with 10-12% body fat. Wrestling teaches good ground instincts and takedowns, but because there are so many illegal holds in wrestling, you don't learn to protect yourself in certain ways and you leave way to many openings for a BJJ guy to come in and take advantage of. I have a ****ty guard and my best moves from the guard are sweeps and escapes so that I can get back on top to go on the offense. BJJ will teach you to control the position on the ground so that, in a street fight, hopefully you wont have to get into your guard. Also BJJ gi techniques can be very effective when you use them in real life on peoples shirts or jackets. Also there are some bad ass moves you can pull off if you have a long sleeve shirt on. I know this from drunken party wrestling.

 

[Belisarius]

Also nobody steps into the octogon these days without any bjj training. Even those wrestling/muy thai guys you see delivering the blows from the top know bjj guaranteed. They have to because if one of them didn't know any at all it would be a nice big hole in their game to be exploited.

 

[speakeasy]

Are you sh!tting me! Do people really carry guns on them everywhere they go in America!

Of course not. Many have them in their homes, but in most states it's illegal to carry a concealed, loaded weapon around. And those that do have permits to legally carry them around aren't the people you need to worry about anyway.

I notice that a lot of non-martial artists like to always bring up the gun issue when people are talking about the effectiveness of martial arts. Maybe it makes them feel better, I don't know, but it's a pattern I've seen often.

As to the effectiveness of BJJ, at my school the other day, I was working the sidemount on an inexperienced guy much bigger than me. I'm 5'8" about 160lbs, he was pretty tall, I'm thinking maybe 6'2" - 6'3"ish or so and definitely more than 200lbs. He absolutely could not escape from my sidemounted position. Everytime he tried to throw me off or rotate out, I'd keep left knee flush to his hip and the ground, control his arms and use my right extended foot to adjust my center of gravity whichever way he moved. This guy was way stronger than me, yet I had him pinned to the ground and could not get up. THIS is the power of martial arts!

 

[speakeasy]

Also nobody steps into the octogon these days without any bjj training.

Wouldn't know it from that last Liddell/Jardin fight!

 

[Phyzzle]

ANYONE interested in learning (and arguing) about martial arts should check out bullshido.com.

The consensus is that wrestling and Judo are more effective for fast fights.

(SLAM, on top, slug slug, over.)

But if the the fight passes the 10 second mark, you'd better know your BJJ.

Of course, it's better to study both (duh) or study MMA from a veteran who has won a few.

 

[speakeasy]

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"I see alot of kids on this forum that has been training BJJ etc, for a couple of years and now think that they are the fvcking gods of fighting. The truth is that unless you've trained for a life time, all the moves you've learned will fly out the window when you are in a life threatening situation. Your heart will be pumping, the adrenalin will be flowing and you'll be scared sh!tless - and there will be no second chances."



And what about those of us who have been training different martial arts from 1st grade? I have been in a few fights and my training sure didn't go "out the window". I have also only recently got into bjj, my bread and butter are wrestling and boxing. I have enough experience to know what I am talking about.

I guess the point I'm getting at is don't rely on any one weapon system.

For just basic street fighting, I think even taking just straight up boxing might be the most effective thing you can learn. The punches are simple, jab, cross, hook and uppercut. Of course there's the footwork, bobbing and weaving, timing, combinations and all that stuff to make it more complex, but your four basic punches, you are not going to forget in the heat of the moment. Now also throw in a few Muay Thai elbow and knee strikes, and now we're talkin'. And sh*t, if you know even a little BJJ, you will make easy work of an untrained fighter on the ground. At the very least, the other guy(untrained) won't be able to do much to you down there because you'll check him with your guard.

 

[Belisarius]

Wouldn't know it from that last Liddell/Jardin fight!

Jardin and Liddell are primarily strikers but both have grappling experience and have submitted people before. Chuck is a purple belt in BJJ which usually entails 4-5 years of training. Jardin trains at Jackson's Submission Fighting in albuquerque, NM.

 

[Reyaj]

What happend in that fight? I see Jardin won..... that has to be a shock... was it a close fight?

 

[speakeasy]

What happend in that fight? I see Jardin won..... that has to be a shock... was it a close fight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4BOKE2_xMs

 

[Bible_Belt]

Liddell just never found his knockout punch, and Jardin kept landing a kick to Chuck's ribs that scored points.

btw, the purses in that fight - Liddell got $500K, and for beating him, Jardin got a measly $14K. He agreed to do the fight for $7k and got a doubling bonus for winning. But the discrepancy in pay was extreme.

 

[Reyaj]

It strikes me why Liddell hasn't been knocked out so many more times. He leaves his hands down and throws so wide when he does punch.... I dont get it....

 

[speakeasy]

Word has it that many boxers think Chuck sucks. I don't think he'd last a second in a boxing ring. I'm a bit baffled by his fighting stance too, but then, he was the light heavyweight champion so obviously he was doing something right.

 

[Bible_Belt]

You know I see the dropped hands a lot, but I have also not seen a fighter with a good boxer's jab to punish an opponent for dropped hands. Maybe there is some reason we don't see that in UFC fights? I am no expert.

On the one hand, the list of fighters Liddell has knocked out are a 'who's who' of UFC, but on the other hand, he is approaching 40. I never understood how he could be so badass and have what looks like a beer gut, but he was. He knows how to drop his weight and lean back into his punches. When they land, they're lethal.

 

[speakeasy]

You know I see the dropped hands a lot, but I have also not seen a fighter with a good boxer's jab to punish an opponent for dropped hands. Maybe there is some reason we don't see that in UFC fights?

Takedowns.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Is it the proximity involved? In order to work a jab, you have to stand too close? You see about every other kind of punch. Or is it that the jab does not do enough damage to stop the other guy from taking the punch and still getting a takedown?

 

[speakeasy]

Is it the proximity involved? In order to work a jab, you have to stand too close? You see about every other kind of punch. Or is it that the jab does not do enough damage to stop the other guy from taking the punch and still getting a takedown?

A boxer can keep his hands high and know he doesn't have to defend a takedown if his opponent shoots in. An MMA guy knows that if he's in close and his hands are high, it might leave his body open for the opponent to shoot in and go for the takedown.

 

[Phyzzle]

Word has it that many boxers think Chuck sucks. I don't think he'd last a second in a boxing ring. I'm a bit baffled by his fighting stance too, but then, he was the light heavyweight champion so obviously he was doing something right.

YES! I am bewildered at how he was successful for so long. He looks like an apple on stilts. No power in his footwork, and nothing fast about his hands. Just a few wild, tricky haymakers.

 

[Belisarius]

Liddell looks like he works at a gas station. If I didn't know who he was and I saw him on the street I would definitely think I could kick his ass. He does have some heat behind those punches but the main thing is that he could land them. Doesn't take as much power to knock somebody out bare knuckle.

 

[Reyaj]

how long does it take to learn some good techniques to use in a real fight?

 

[Suicide]

Why don't you actually find a place, start training and find out for yourself instead of asking five hundred armchair questions and wasting your time?