Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Real Life Applications?

[The Inside Man]

Is it the proximity involved? In order to work a jab, you have to stand too close? You see about every other kind of punch. Or is it that the jab does not do enough damage to stop the other guy from taking the punch and still getting a takedown?

The trick is taking a small step and firing a hard jab at the same time. So you close the distance and do not "stand too close" when firing the jab, but still get appropriate range. Use those jabs to setup bigger punches.

 

[The Inside Man]

Also keep in mind guys that Liddell is getting old(no comparisons to freak of nature randy couture), and that the last 5 guys he fought before Jackson were grapplers, fed to him by the UFC to build up his persona. He is a very talented fighter though.

 

[speakeasy]

The trick is taking a small step and firing a hard jab at the same time. So you close the distance and do not "stand too close" when firing the jab, but still get appropriate range. Use those jabs to setup bigger punches.

A jab though is kind of a misnomer. There's no reason a jab can't be just as hard hitting as your cross. A "jab" can easily knock someone out esp if you're wearing no gloves.

 

[speakeasy]

This guy is good evidence that all you may need for self-defense is boxing skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmn8ORCbgZc

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

This guy is good evidence that all you may need for self-defense is boxing skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmn8ORCbgZc

oh please!

boxing sucks. You want good self defense? learn BJJ and muay thai, dont waste any time on boxing, that goes in the same class as Karate and other useless systems.

 

[speakeasy]

oh please!

boxing sucks. You want good self defense? learn BJJ and muay thai, dont waste any time on boxing, that goes in the same class as Karate and other useless systems.

You're out of your mind. Show me a youtube video of one guy beating down 4 attackers at once in the street using BJJ or MT.

 

[Reyaj]

boxing is actually one of the best fighting styles.

 

[The Inside Man]

A jab though is kind of a misnomer. There's no reason a jab can't be just as hard hitting as your cross. A "jab" can easily knock someone out esp if you're wearing no gloves.

Well, you can flick it out for a "touch" or you can send a stiff one to do damage. It really sounds like I'm talking about something besides a punch lol.

 

[The Inside Man]

oh please!

boxing sucks. You want good self defense? learn BJJ and muay thai, dont waste any time on boxing, that goes in the same class as Karate and other useless systems.

Lets put on some gloves, go in the backyard, and see who has more fun. Boxing is the original martial art hmmm, how many UFC champions of the world rely extensively on their BOXING and not kicking. Anderson Silva, Randy Couture, Matt Serra(according to GSP fight), and of course mr Rampage. Tell them that boxing is dead.

 

[Belisarius]

A jab though is kind of a misnomer. There's no reason a jab can't be just as hard hitting as your cross. A "jab" can easily knock someone out esp if you're wearing no gloves.

I agree that a Jab can easily knock someone out bare knuckle, but I disagree that it can be as hard hitting as a cross. You can build up a hell of a lot more momentum with a cross considering that you can rotate your hips damn near 180 degrees. Even if you are throwing a jab off of a cross and your hips are kind of ****ed for the jab, you still can't torque out anywhere near as much power as you can with a cross.

 

[Belisarius]

oh please!

boxing sucks. You want good self defense? learn BJJ and muay thai, dont waste any time on boxing, that goes in the same class as Karate and other useless systems.

Disagreed. While I do think BJJ and muay thai are more effective than boxing, against somebody who knows nothing, boxing can be an excellent choice for self defense. I've seen boxers destroy people in street fights. The punches are almost the same as in Muay thai and there are more evasive moves.
You usually don't have to worry about your average idiot off the street having a double leg takedown in his arsenal. Against untrained guys (like 99% of the population) boxing is definitely a viable self defense option.

While karate is held back by tradition, and has many moves that are not based in reality, it is much better than nothing. I think that if you studied karate and sparred frequently and with intensity, you would probably have a huge leg up on the average guy.

Of course with either boxing or karate if you go up against anyone with ground fighting experience(a rarity in a street fight), you are definitely ****ed.

 

[Phyzzle]

The keyboard Jockey's guide to martial arts!

These threads have all you need to know. Frankly, when you're done reading these, you need to either sign up in a place that does sparring, or just shutup and forget about martial arts.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19463
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48559

 

[Suicide]

These threads have all you need to know. Frankly, when you're done reading these, you need to either sign up in a place that does sparring, or just shutup and forget about martial arts.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19463
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48559

So this guy has studied all of these arts, used them and is able to tell us which one will work against the others? Please. Awful, crappy sweeping generalizations as far as that goes. If you want something that's better written, read this: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/martial-arts/faq/

And keep in mind that arts change with the amount of training you have. His generalizations may cover the basics of the art I study, but he'd be very surprised what is taught at the higher levels.

Just find a place and start training! God damn! You could have checked out like twenty different places and seen twenty different arts and decided for yourself by now.

 

[bigjohnson]

OK so bigjohnson, when you go ....

I almost always carry at least one gun, although I have never tried to conceal an assault rifle.

I don't think MA training is a waste of time - it's fun, but if someone has NO TRAINING and an immediate safety issue then it's too damn late for martial arts training to resolve that issue.

 

[speakeasy]

The other thing about boxing is that those guys train a lot and usually have excellent conditioning. Plus they get hit over and over again so they can take a punch.

Yeah, you're hardpressed to find anyone better conditioned than a pro boxer.

 

[bigjohnson]

.... run and call the police....

Having no weapons around is not a common state outside the office. Ahem. Of course I would NEVER carry within the hallowed confines of the workplace.

As Centaurion and others have pointed out, MA training is wonderful, and I agree it's a great thing IF YOU ENJOY it. But let's not be idiotic and try and make it some sort of "real men can protect their loved ones" agrument. If that's what this is about then the top ways to do that is to make sure they stay away from bad places, have a good health plan and a safe home in a good neighborhood.

If you want to protect them, get THEM a weapon permit and training as well.

It's called an equalizer for a reason.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Of course with either boxing or karate if you go up against anyone with ground fighting experience(a rarity in a street fight), you are definitely ****ed.

exactly

and this is exactly why BJJ + MT is prefered over boxing. with BJJ+MT you can kill the average joe as well as the trained boxer and karate practitioner. where as with boxing, you can only kill the average joe, the karate practiitoner, and an inferior boxer, but not a BJJ guy. hmmmm, let me think here, which is the best one to choose? duuuhh, I think its BJJ!!!!! :yes:

again, dont waste time on boxing. Go for the supreme: BJJ+MT

 

[bigjohnson]

So paper covers rock?

 

[speakeasy]

It's called an equalizer for a reason.

...Unless you're 50CENT and you can take 9 bullets at once.

 

[bigjohnson]

Depends on placement more than anything. Your CNS, pump, or major tube gets taken out and you die no matter who you are. It just takes time, unlike in the movies. Anyone who's ever hunted can tell you that large mammals don't just fip over and die without a CNS hit.

Some sideways shooting retard that manages to miss any vital plumbing with 9 shots is just sad.

As to being shot not being effective against someone "who can take 9 at once":

"It happens so fast that you don't even get a chance to shoot back... I was scared the whole time... I was looking in the rear-view mirror like, 'Oh ****, somebody shot me in the face! It burns, burns, burns.'"