"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Brainstorming: how to profit more from social situations!

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Heya!
I've pretty much quit reading all that theory mumbojumbo. This time, I'm really out there in the field and I'm already seeing some nice progress.

Now there are lots of parties, gettogethers and stuff you can go to.
And let's be honest, this is about having fun, as has been said and proved countless times.
I want to become more fun - and for this I'll try to have more fun, simply said :)

So what is YOUR way to "have fun" on a party? Or with friends? Or anywhere?
I've known people who - wherever they go - get that incredible burst of energy whenever they are with people. And BOOM they just rock everything!
Sometimes I achieve this myself, but not very often. I just can't put my finger on it.

How do you guys get that burst for yourselves?

P.S.: PLEASE spare me your "state" theory! Instead, share your real-life observations!
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Hey Huffman,

I'm very glad to hear that you're getting away from theory. Actually, I don't think there's anything wrong with theories - I just think that most of the theories on this board are misleading, limited, or just plain wrong.

Anyway, I worry a bit that your expectations are unrealistic. I don't think your goal should be to "rock everything". And I don't think the goal should be to "become fun". For years I tried to be fun all the time and it just made me miserable and inauthentic.

What people really want, in my opinion, is someone who is authentic/honest and emotionally mature. Being authentic alone isn't enough. If you say what's on your mind, but it's not mature (calling people ugly, stupid, fat etc.), it's unpleasant. Being mature without being authentic is just boring.

To put it another way, I think you want to speak your mind, and also learn to express yourself effectively. You will get what you want and, if you get really good at this, you will be able to criticize and set limits and ask for things and rarely offend anyone.

So the focus is on being authentic and effective.

Let me give you some examples.

1.) The other day I went to a party and I was exhausted and in a bad mood. Did I try to play off like I was in a great mood? Did I try to "become fun"? Hell no - people would sniff my inauthenticity right away. No, I told them I was in a bad mood but that bad moods are often really important signs of growth. lol

I was sad and honest about it, but also uplifting. Strangers were listening to me, taking time to invest in my well-being, and I soon felt much better. I had a great time at the party and didn't need to pretend I was Mr. Happy-go-lucky. They liked the opportunity to help me and be appreciated for their wisdom.

Another example: my parents got divorced last year. I basically decided that I wasn't going to hide it, I was going to talk about divorce whenever I felt like it, but in a mature way. I would tell people in the elevator, on the bus, on the street, but I would do it in such a mature way that it hooked people and they really got interested in me.

I started with some other small-talk and then change the topic to divorce when I felt like it. I would talk about how this divorce was great for my parents and tell them I was trying to understand why I wished they would stay together anyway. I would tell the strangers whatever was on my mind, for instance that the divorce made me afraid I wouldn't be able to have a successful marriage someday.

As you can see, I was honest, but without self-pity, and I made my problems interesting to listen to and relatable. Almost every stranger would start talking about their parents and relate to me on a deep level. Keep in mind, this was not a technique, this was just me expressing myself openly and maturely. People appreciated my candor, and really taught me a lot.

Let me contrast honest and mature (above) with honest and immature. I could have said "my parents are getting divorced, oh poor, powerless me! I'm the only one in the world who has this problem. I just don't understand why life is worth living. We suffer and then we die. What's the point? I wish I could just die right now."

For some people, that might be honest. But it's probably not interesting to hear, and definitely not emotionally mature. Strangers would run away from this kind of talk.

I was down and I treated the whole world as my counselor - and demonstrated emotional maturity AND picked up chicks in the process :) How awesome is that? That's why I can't believe these guys who don't call a girl if they're in a bad mood.

I have learned to be a very attractive person, whatever my mood.

Example 3: I went to a party and I was in a great mood. I felt on top of the world, so excited about this fete. (See you always need to mix it up, that's another key to being honest :D). I brought some of my best friends, who really mismatched with the people at this party. It was really fun to introduce them to people and sort of disappear, then watch them completely not understand the other person, but then sort of get along. It's hard to explain.

I think I'm fascinated by the chemistry different people have. I love mixing and matching people, and seeing how they bounce off each other. (I'm starting to understand why some people love "setting up" their friends!)

Anyway, I was picking up ladies with just as much ease when I'm up as when I'm down. I really appreciated meeting these two friends who live in my neighborhood. And just like when I was down, all I did was speak openly about how I feel - in general and about them - and focus on being honest and interesting and mature.

In short, I think you should stop focusing on being fun to other people. You're selling yourself out. Focus on being fun for yourself. If other people don't like YOUR fun, they're not worth impressing.

People who are worthwhile will always love your way of having fun.

Learn to always be honest and interesting - that way your will enjoy pretty much every social setting. Why? Because it always feels good to speak your mind.

So long as you care what idiots think, you're always going to act like an idiot. So long as you want everyone to love you and to be the life of the party, you're always going to be inauthentic.

I know many believe it's "alpha" to dominate parties - but many people here are insecure and jealous of people they don't understand, and don't truly want to emulate.

The goal isn't to have everybody think you're awesome. That's just insecurity. Once I learned that I'm awesome, I didn't need to blow everybody away anymore. The goal is to have your own kind of fun, and attract people who share it. For instance, I'm not a huge fan of bars and clubs, so I don't go. I find people who love dinner parties, making music, walking, biking, talking, cooking, fixing, singing, snowball fights, sports.

Also, focus on being authentic and interesting. Other people can be unbearably dull. But at the least, you can talk about what's on your mind, bounce ideas off people - no matter who you're talking to, not matter how boring they are.

You'd be surprised the insights that incompatible people can give you.

And finally, a lot of people are just emotionally repressed. Many people need to learn how to express their negative emotions before they can fully feel, and fully share their positive emotions.

I can tell you that I used to be painfully shy. Now I'm bordering on annoyingly outgoing. I just talk to everybody, because I love feeling like I live in a community where people talk to and care about each other.

Hope this helps.

Izza
 

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Great post by that man above me that goes by the name of Izza.. It's amazing reading that, considering I too have recently come to this realization. I always tried to put on a persona displaying nothing but 'alpha' traits. I realized this wasn't really me. I never fully opened up to people.

Finally, I decided to try being genuine, and telling people exactly how I feel, whats on my mind, and do this with CONFIDENCE. I've met some great new friends already, and some great girls!
 

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Thanks for the compliment! I'm glad you've also had such eye-opening realizations. They really make socializing wonderful.

One thing I forgot to mention - I used to ask myself "am I dominating this party?" But these days I don't need to and I don't care if I am or not. Sometimes I do, and sometimes I'm happy to let others do so. It doesn't affect my ability to pick up women at all because I don't need "social proof" to get chicks. I just need proof that I'm awesome (just like everyone else), which I have in abundance.

I will say that more often I just try to make sure that everyone is having fun. That's really my main goal. If I see someone who doesn't appear to be having a good time, I introduce them to cool people, or talk about silly stuff. I've been that person who was miserable at parties before, so I try to lend them a hand but also don't let them get in the way of my fun either.

Oh one other thought: it never hurts to talk about the context or awkwardness. Case in point, I was at a singles party the other day - and these are ok places to meet women. The real problem is all the pressure. Everybody is single and looking, therefore all people who connect need to go home and procreate right away. It creates a not very sexy, pressure-filled situation.

The best way to diffuse stuff like that, as always, is to talk about it. I tell them, which is true, that I feel a lot of pressure and anxiety in the room. I'm not there to pick up women, I'm there to have fun in the moment, through conversation, and meet cool people, and have new friends. I tell them I respect women who feel free to have recreational sex. I really admire their courage, considering how much shame our society tries to place on "sluts."

In short, I effing diffuse the situation, disarm them, get them on my team, working with me.

If you and a girl are truly working together, picking up is of course easy as hell. It's just guys that make into a battle, a struggle, a powerplay, a need for domination. That's when women will fight back, struggle back, play games, flake, test you and all that other crap.

I see a lot of guys confuse a girl being interested in you and being on your team. By on your team, I mean actively working with you to go somewhere and hook up. A girl can be interested in you but still resist and play games.

A girl being interested in you only means that she is interested in being on your team, but just because she wants to be on your team, working with you to have lots of mutual fun, doesn't mean that she is. And because people, guys and girls, believe that someone being interested in you means they're going to work with you to have lots of fun, they cause themselves a lot of confusion, heartache, personal agony, and insecurity.

What I mean is, a girl might think you're sexy, hot, interesting, fvckable, whatever. But that doesn't mean that she will cooperate with you, work with you to facilitate you hooking up.

Why?

A lot of this is because our society labels women who like sex, and who have sex with guys for their own reasons a slut. So you have to remember that even if a girl is into you, if she's afraid of seeming slutty she'll waffle. Or if a girl likes you but feels like you're trying to dominate her, control her, get her to get down on her knees and beg for you to go out with her, despite what all the bitter people say on this board, most women will draw back, and test you some more.

You need to learn to tell women it's ok to have sex. Usually explicitly. This helps them, it helps other guys, it helps our society too. Most importantly, it lets women know that you will respect them for facilitating you two having sex.

But again, the bitter, the misogynists, the power-seeking, the guys who feel insecure and need to dominate, think women are teases and are mean. The misogynists think so because these guys SUCK at getting women on their team. They don't know the difference between interest and getting a girl on their team. Getting a girl on your team is different than building attraction. A girl being attracted to you is not enough. She needs to be attracted to you and to realize it's ok to facilitate your hooking up.

Make sense?

Think about how easy hooking up is when you are awesome at getting women to cooperate, make a partnership, work with you to satisfy both of you sexually. That, by the way, is what mature relationships are all about.

Finally, I decided to try being genuine, and telling people exactly how I feel, whats on my mind, and do this with CONFIDENCE. I've met some great new friends already, and some great girls!
Very well put! Tell people how you feel, what's on your mind with confidence. That's awesome! I heard a lot about that from watching Juggler, and it's so true. Also, keep in mind that women fear clingy, emotionally immature guys. They might be attracted to one but hold back because they're afraid he will depend on her like their own mother.

Expressing how you feel, always, with confidence, shows maturity and will DEMONSTRATE that you are not that guy.

Izza
 

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Don't really even need to dominate I'd say. Just interact with lots of people.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Great posts izza, many thanks!
You have a very interesting point of view, I'll try that out for the next couple of weeks!
 

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not a bad post

Huffman said:
Heya!
I've pretty much quit reading all that theory mumbojumbo. This time, I'm really out there in the field and I'm already seeing some nice progress.

Now there are lots of parties, gettogethers and stuff you can go to.
And let's be honest, this is about having fun, as has been said and proved countless times.
I want to become more fun - and for this I'll try to have more fun, simply said :)

So what is YOUR way to "have fun" on a party? Or with friends? Or anywhere?
I've known people who - wherever they go - get that incredible burst of energy whenever they are with people. And BOOM they just rock everything!
Sometimes I achieve this myself, but not very often. I just can't put my finger on it.

How do you guys get that burst for yourselves?

P.S.: PLEASE spare me your "state" theory! Instead, share your real-life observations!

First of props on going to the field, you will find out that you will learn more then any of these Charlatans can ever tell you or show you (this is how I learned/learning)

One of the reason why I have been successfull so quickly is because I enjoyed going out, I enjoyed it all, from approaching, to opening, to the interaction. If you enjoy what you do then it shows, in your tonality, body langauge the way you carry yourself. I love talking to a beatiful women, I love to be surrounded by women. If I wanna get into a fun/happy state, it doesn't take much for me. All I need is to blast my favorite music, to get me hype.

If you don't have fun in what you do then it will show, I got bored really quick of the chase/approaching, some guys can do it forever, for me it's all about balance though, I rather watch reruns of Prison Break then be at the bars everyweekend.

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