"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Analyzeit

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Just lets get this straight its okay to mack on chicks with boyfriends isn't it?? unless they bigger then you lol
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Roy

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And how would you feel if your girl was being gamed by a lad who was bigger than you?

Have some respect bro...
 

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While it may or may not affect your decision to do it or not, I tend to stay away from girls with boyfriends. I have spent a night with a girl before without knowing she had a boyfriend only to have her dump him the next day. I didn't do anything on purpose and it still felt pretty bad to take her from someone who actually cared about her.

There's plenty of attractive single fish in the sea mate, I'm sure you can be happy with a few of those.
 

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yeah i wouldnt get with a girl who had a boyfriend, itd jsut be wrong, bad rep, and hell wat if the guy knows karate or somethin
 

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Yeah but lets me honest you guys must use "stay away" and "have some respect" pretty loosely i mean if a 8 or 9 is interested or not gonna say know, and i mean i would never to it to a mate and i would never do it just to piss him off, but honestly do you really care!?!
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The problem is, if she has a boyfriend but is still interested in you anyway, she's probably interested in other guys too. I'm not saying to game the girl, I'm just saying she WILL find someone else soon.
 

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It just depends on how much you respect him.

How do you know how much you shoudl respect him? By how much his girl respects him.

If she is flirting with you and giving you IOI's she doesnt have much respect for the guy, and neither should you.
 

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Unless you are getting alot of IOI'S and interest, I would say no. If she isn't really interested then don't try to pursure. As a general rule I try not to get with any chicks that have boyfriends, out of respect. My first girlfriend cheated on me, and I know how it feels to be the AFC sitting there.

If anything I would just try to get her to break up with him.
 

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Analyzeit said:
Just lets get this straight its okay to mack on chicks with boyfriends isn't it?? unless they bigger then you lol
Even at that, I have some friends who can kick his ass if he wants to touch me... I doubt he's going to start a fight with you just for that.
 

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id be pretty pissed if i saw some guy trying to game my girl at a party. even if the guy was bigger. reminds me of a couple weeks ago when my girl got extremely drunk at a party and some bigger guy went up behind her and tried to feel her up and tried to game her. i walked over to the kid told him to back the **** off my girl or hed get his *** kicked and he walked away.. i was shocked cuz im pretty sure the guy couldve kicked my ***.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Dimehair said:
The problem is, if she has a boyfriend but is still interested in you anyway, she's probably interested in other guys too. I'm not saying to game the girl, I'm just saying she WILL find someone else soon.
My thoughts exactly.

There is that whole issue of "would you like a guy flirting with your girl?", but I think, in this mating game, it should only matter if you know the guy personally.
 

I.A.F.Y.B.

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The only time you do not mack on a girl who has a boyfriend. Is if it is your friend. Other than that, its game on.
 

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6'4" 210 guy here.

You and I would do more than a little bit of man talking if I caught you being inappropriate with a girl of mine.

the problem with some of this advice is that guys are evolutionarily wired to assume interest. simple friendliness can make you assume that she's flirting, and can lead to a crossed wire. then you risk getting your as$ beat. there's always someone stronger than you just waiting for you to piss him off. i say dont take the unnecessary, as$hole-y risk. just find another girl. if she tells you she doesnt have a boyfriend and then it turns out she did, then its not on you. but if you know, then you shouldnt do it.
 

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lol there is really a lot of mixed opinions on the topic, I think I'm just gonna back off a little on chicks with boyfriends

So they come to me a lot more then I go To them, simple really I'm just gonna make hell sure there interest before i do anything, i think its the best way to go
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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It's probably a bit of a personal preference here. Some guys view flirting with girls with boyfriends disrespectful (to me it depends on who the boyfriend is), others are scared of getting beaten up, and others just don't like to, and other do like to.

Personally, I flirt with them (unless they're boyfriend is a friend of mine), and if they start back and show interested, I go ahead. It's their boyfriends' fault he isn't keeping his girl interested,
 
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