"bossy" women. Would you bother?

[Reykhel]

With bossy women.....there are many. The independent woman who "doesn't need a man" and displays her independence proudly.....

...but at the same time....she does "need a man"......(sometimes a very strange conflict yes....she's screaming that she doesn't need a man, while actively looking for a man...)

She's bossy....but..."doesn't mean to be"....(when you bring her up on it)

Would you bother?

Personally, I've come across so many of them........and maybe I see/saw it as a frame challenge or something..........

example.....one had said to me "usually like my ex's just give in...." (something like that)...my response was something like "well you can huff, and you can puff....little piggy.....but this house ain't falling down...." ...now that said....I could see the interest going up/however with another one like that I could see the interest go down (in my opinion, the saner she is the interest should go up....)

However, the bossy types............the bossyness seems to not go away.......but every now and again.....it raises it's ugly head......and you have to wave your finger...

are these bossy types worth it.....given there are many.....many.......

they soften...but do they relent...

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Don't hope

 

[Billtx49]

With bossy women.....there are many. The independent woman who "doesn't need a man" and displays her independence proudly.....

...but at the same time....she does "need a man"......(sometimes a very strange conflict yes....she's screaming that she doesn't need a man, while actively looking for a man...)

She's bossy....but..."doesn't mean to be"....(when you bring her up on it)

Would you bother?

Personally, I've come across so many of them........and maybe I see/saw it as a frame challenge or something..........

example.....one had said to me "usually like my ex's just give in...." (something like that)...my response was something like "well you can huff, and you can puff....little piggy.....but this house ain't falling down...." ...now that said....I could see the interest going up/however with another one like that I could see the interest go down (in my opinion, the saner she is the interest should go up....)

However, the bossy types............the bossyness seems to not go away.......but every now and again.....it raises it's ugly head......and you have to wave your finger...

are these bossy types worth it.....given there are many.....many.......

they soften...but do they relent...

Are they worth it? No
If a man can be ‘bossed’ she loses whatever respect she has for him at a faster than normal rate.

 

[Reykhel]

Don't hope

What? hope for what?

I'm talking about should we be bothered (ie fvck it we can frame handle it) or should we not bother (we have the frame but why bother)

where doest the hope come into it my goodman?

Note: I've got a bossy women cleaning my bathroom on a weekly basis.

 

[Reykhel]

Are they worth it? No
If a man can be ‘bossed’ she loses whatever respect she has for him at a faster than normal rate.

Miss the point. They can be bossed back...but are they worth it.....

 

[Billtx49]

Miss the point. They can be bossed back...but are they worth it.....

No. Her mental idea about who should lead is 180 degrees off. It’s a sure fire recipe for a nothing but conflict future if you’re a leader.
But if you let her wear the pants then she doesn’t respect you because it conflicts with her biological mindset to follow.
It’s a no win situation…

 

[Reykhel]

No. Her idea about who should lead is 180 degrees off. It’s a sure fire recipe for a nothing but conflict future.

Ah I see what you mean. Yeah I've always "stayed in the fight", maybe too much bravado showing who has frame or just been stubborn not backing down.......

....but yes, what you write is the conclusion I am coming to........her idea about who should lead remains in her mind and somtimes comes out....sporadically.....and who wants to be putting out flames.....

 

[mrgoodstuff]

No. Her mental idea about who should lead is 180 degrees off. It’s a sure fire recipe for a nothing but conflict future if you’re a leader.
But if you let her wear the pants then she doesn’t respect you because it conflicts with her biological mindset to follow.
It’s a no win situation…

The successful dudes who deal with that species would refuse to live with them and only come around for sex.

 

[Billtx49]

The successful dudes who deal with that species would refuse to live with them and only come around for sex.

Bingo…

 

[Reykhel]

Not compatable with them for many reasons. Some men are let's say a youngest child or have Mommy issues and want that

Ok...so how would you gauge it..?

The moment you feel "bossyness" would you see it as a ****e test or as something not worth dealing with...?

Bearing in mind we can't know a woman from the first drink......or maybe you can?

If you went out with a girl like that and then reflected that perhaps she was a little too bossy for your liking, would that mean you have mommy issues? Do you have mommy issues boy?

I'm talking about the point in time....…

What time do we see it and eject it? or what time do we see it and say roll with it is's a ****e test)

 

[guru1000]

Two types of Alpha chicks (also applicable to the independent, bossy type):

1) Those who know their "limits" and will ultimately defer to you;

2) Those who don't.

Stay away from No.2.

 

[lizardking82]

No. Masculine women fail to turn me on.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

These types of women are extremes. Yes they try to be ‘strong’ or ‘tough’ or ‘masculine’ on the outside, but deep down inside, nothing turns them on more than a really strong man. My younger sister is like this actually. But she still hates when men are pussies like that and wants to see strength. Yes they are more masculine than other women, but a lot of the time that’s just a coverup because they are also really feminine on the inside and don’t want to show it for whatever reason.

Consider it like this, it’s a ratio. They have a higher amount of masculinity than normal, right? Normally women like you to be a certain amount more masculine than them. But with these types, you need to be even MORE simply because your ratio of masculinity to hers needs to be the same as it is with a normal chick. If I were to turn it into math, let’s say you need a 2:1 ratio. Normal women have a 100. Therefore men need to have 200. These bossy types are at 300. Therefore you need to be at 600. See what I’m saying? You just need to find that ratio.

The problem is though that these chicks are very volatile in that they will lose all masculinity and absolutely crumble for a strong man (or stress for that matter). I’ve seen it with my sister growing up. Yeah she can pretend to be strong and put up a front. But me and my brother both being d!ckheads to her when we were little was too much for her to handle and she’d eventually break down. And it was sudden. You wouldn’t see it or know when it was coming. These bossy types are the same. They love a hypermasculine guy but around him they automatically turn SUPER feminine and lose ALL forms of masculinity, and then YOU need to immediately shift to be a bit more caring too and less masculine or else they don’t feel the connection. They’re very volatile like that and you need to play your card perfectly. Currently I’m having trouble dealing with a broad at my work who’s like this. I say or do the smallest of thing that exhibits strength to the smallest level and she gushes. But then I stay that way for 2 seconds too long and she hates me like how when chicks talk about how guys break their hearts. They’re ****ing nuts bro. They’re good for mastery of your game and overall social skills. But they’re not good for relationships long term. These girls are also one of the types (there are a few more) who sometimes become super turned on when they see a dude who’s been to prison or a dude who has a felony. Because they know that those guys are always hypermasculine. They automatically lump them into the ‘**** me’ category though and never show any sort of romantic interest in them. They turn into mad *****s if you push their buttons right. And if you stay that way eventually you can keep them like that with you forever. As in you stop seeing hen for 3 years, come back to find out she’s engaged, and then **** her in the ass for several hours on the days before her wedding, and after too. RIP married cuck chump.

 

[Roober]

Haha. Just have fun with it...

Her: usually men just give in (which is a ridiculously true statement)

Me: I'll give my cvck to your mouth

And agree with above @ImTheDoubleGreatest!

 

[Glassguy]

Two types of Alpha chicks (also applicable to the independent, bossy type):

1) Those who know their "limits" and will ultimately defer to you;

2) Those who don't.

Stay away from No.2.

True.

Most of the time "I don't need a man"....."I am completely independent" is only a shield against letting their emotions run wild.

Proceed as usual and she either comes into your frame or she doesnt. If she doesnt run.

Bossiness is an entirely different thing altogether. B!tchy, princess and women who cant take a joke do me no justice and arent my type. Next.

 

[ohrein]

Short answer, no. Rollo specifically talks about this. He said the first time he and his wife went for a drive in her car, she handed him the keys on her own volition.

It's important that women come into your frame. Particularly because the manosphere is based on masculine/feminine dynamics, if you're red pill and alpha, masculine women are simply not compatible.

Now, if a particular woman you're interacting with is bossy but eventually follows your frame, that might be okay. But since she has those masculine qualities for whatever reason, chances are they will pop up as sh1t tests for a long time, if not forever. If she doesn't follow your frame then it's doomed anyway.

Would I bother? Nah. I like my women soft and feminine. Not weak or a doormat, but certainly the opposite of bossy. I recently had a calm conversation with my girlfriend about a very minor problem I had with her, which I knew was just a part of her personality that I actually like, getting in the way of something we both wanted. The two times that situation has come up since she has done exactly as we discussed. Is a bossy woman gonna do that calmly? Maybe, maybe not. Leading is just so important and if you're being fought at every turn, it's just going to be unpleasant.

 

[ohrein]

These types of women are extremes. Yes they try to be ‘strong’ or ‘tough’ or ‘masculine’ on the outside, but deep down inside, nothing turns them on more than a really strong man. My younger sister is like this actually. But she still hates when men are pussies like that and wants to see strength. Yes they are more masculine than other women, but a lot of the time that’s just a coverup because they are also really feminine on the inside and don’t want to show it for whatever reason.

Consider it like this, it’s a ratio. They have a higher amount of masculinity than normal, right? Normally women like you to be a certain amount more masculine than them. But with these types, you need to be even MORE simply because your ratio of masculinity to hers needs to be the same as it is with a normal chick. If I were to turn it into math, let’s say you need a 2:1 ratio. Normal women have a 100. Therefore men need to have 200. These bossy types are at 300. Therefore you need to be at 600. See what I’m saying? You just need to find that ratio.

The problem is though that these chicks are very volatile in that they will lose all masculinity and absolutely crumble for a strong man (or stress for that matter). I’ve seen it with my sister growing up. Yeah she can pretend to be strong and put up a front. But me and my brother both being d!ckheads to her when we were little was too much for her to handle and she’d eventually break down. And it was sudden. You wouldn’t see it or know when it was coming. These bossy types are the same. They love a hypermasculine guy but around him they automatically turn SUPER feminine and lose ALL forms of masculinity, and then YOU need to immediately shift to be a bit more caring too and less masculine or else they don’t feel the connection. They’re very volatile like that and you need to play your card perfectly. Currently I’m having trouble dealing with a broad at my work who’s like this. I say or do the smallest of thing that exhibits strength to the smallest level and she gushes. But then I stay that way for 2 seconds too long and she hates me like how when chicks talk about how guys break their hearts. They’re ****ing nuts bro. They’re good for mastery of your game and overall social skills. But they’re not good for relationships long term. These girls are also one of the types (there are a few more) who sometimes become super turned on when they see a dude who’s been to prison or a dude who has a felony. Because they know that those guys are always hypermasculine. They automatically lump them into the ‘**** me’ category though and never show any sort of romantic interest in them. They turn into mad *****s if you push their buttons right. And if you stay that way eventually you can keep them like that with you forever. As in you stop seeing hen for 3 years, come back to find out she’s engaged, and then **** her in the ass for several hours on the days before her wedding, and after too. RIP married cuck chump.

I wonder if the masculine woman having two brothers and a strong father is the equivalent of the feminine man with sisters and no father. I think feminism has obviously had an impact, but it's far more likely these traits are developed in childhood.

 

[Soflobro#2]

Not compatable with them for many reasons. Some men are let's say a youngest child or have Mommy issues and want that

Wow what a fvcking coincidence. Creepy even..

But this sounds thread kind of sounds like how someone might perceive my exgf.

I wouldn't say she was bossy at all. I did whatever i want and she let me. She never denied me anything.

The problem is that i wasn't doing anything. This pissed her off, but still she didn't deny me anything and she still made efforts. I would say she was kind of negative sometimes and she would be moody, unjustifiabley at times but that's part of being a human being.

Honestly had i done SOMETHING with myself except for playing video games, taking kratom, or wasting my time in some other way things probably would have ended up a little different. Besides kratom made me physically clingy and when it wore off i was irritable. Doesn't help that i would litterally donate plasma to get it or I'd hit her up for money (not often) for it.

I had a perfect opportunity to improve myself and i squandered it. I bet even if i would have improved myself and even moved on she would still have been there for me if i needed or wanted.

But i get to selfish and honestly kratom makes me manic. When i come off of it i get crushing depression, restlessness and extreme anxiety, extreme lethargy. It didn't help i was taking anywhere from 60 to 90 grams in a 24 hour period. It made me unstable.

But even when i did the wrong thing she never tried to tell me what to do. She was a laissez-faire type of girl. She can be kind of negative and stubborn. But this to me is far from bossy.

Honestly she was very accepting and persevering because she would let things slide and i took advantage. I didn't mean to, i didn't exactly plan it. If you ever met her or see her behavior you'd think she was kind of a b1tch. But shes not really. She was i kind of cool to be honest, as long as you didn't cross her. But it's not hard to NOT fvck someone over.(sometimes).

 

[Atom Smasher]

Some are tameable, but they will test you from time to time. It’s just not worth the hassle. It becomes a huge irritation.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Some are tameable, but they will test you from time to time. It’s just not worth the hassle. It becomes a huge irritation.

It never ever ends