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reminds me, plenty of guys i've spoken to, they have said that have had some more enjoyable/fun sex, with escorts or sex workers, providers, than they did with their ex-girlfriends/ex-wives.
 

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reminds me, plenty of guys i've spoken to, they have said that have had some more enjoyable/fun sex, with escorts or sex workers, providers, than they did with their ex-girlfriends/ex-wives.
It’s the hookers JOB to make you think that. Again magical thinking. And no she didn’t orgasm she wanted you to finish faster.
 

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It’s the hookers JOB to make you think that. Again magical thinking. And no she didn’t orgasm she wanted you to finish faster.
It's like saying no one enjoys their work and all are watching the clock so they can hit the door. Really? Doesn't it depend on the work they do and the people they work with?
Let's not forget: 1. escorts have likes, dislikes just like any human being and as they are not Oscar level actors they won't be able to convincingly fake anything.
2. women fake orgasm and want the guy to finish faster in many relationships.
 

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I have been in this situation with a few of my ex girlfriends where the SEX has been boring and nothing major was happening in bed unless of-course me as a man took a lead and asked what I wanted in the bedroom.

Asking for what you want some times works and some times it does not.

If a woman has rules and she just does specific things in the bedroom this is where a Man starts to realize that he will never have a full fire ignition in the bedroom and he starts to either cheat or move on to the next adventure due to unsatisfied sex. I know many cases this has happened.

What is your process with a woman that you have either a relationship or a sex playmate to ask her for what you want in bed?

Please share your thoughts.
Find a side piece. Or at least go out and flirt. She'll turn up the heat.
 

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Delusional in 99.999% of cases. Money is required for access. Additionally a significant number of female prostitutes are lesbians. Of course she’s going to tell you how amazing you are while she fakes her orgasms to ensure a tip and return clientele. I can guarantee you that any woman on the face of the planet thinks a guy that has to pay for sex is pathetic. Magical thinking.

Johns will tell themselves whatever they need to in order to justify them feeling good about their experience.

Again delusional.

But hey, tell yourself whatever you want to.
 
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It's like saying no one enjoys their work and all are watching the clock so they can hit the door. Really? Doesn't it depend on the work they do and the people they work with?
Let's not forget: 1. escorts have likes, dislikes just like any human being and as they are not Oscar level actors they won't be able to convincingly fake anything.
2. women fake orgasm and want the guy to finish faster in many relationships.
i agree, can't speak for everyone and they are also still human beings too at the end of the day.
 

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Money is required for access.
With all other women you're paying with your time and money (indirectly).
I can guarantee you that any woman on the face of the planet thinks a guy that has to pay for sex is pathetic.
All women will claim the same about guys dating/marrying younger women. - He can't handle a real woman/What do they have in common - shout in chorus the 35-45yrs old, past the wall and saddled with baggage women. :D
In reality, in both situations, they are just bad mouthing their competition.
 

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@pipeman84 - have you ever paid a professional hooker for sex or been around any?
 

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@pipeman84 - have you ever paid a professional hooker for sex or been around any?
Yeah, several, so my arguments come not only from a logical framework, but also personal experience.
 

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@pipeman84 and @H8CourtshipWithAPassion

I think you guys are totally missing the fact that if these escorts/prostitutes are doing their job properly or are good at what they do you will feel like it was real, that you both had the night of your lives, etc. lol. I used to read through the reddit sub forum for sex workers and I remember seeing posts about how if a man felt like he wasn't in love that she did something wrong lol, or the female escorts themselves would say this if they got that feeling. @Pierce Manhammer and @The Duke clearly understand this, which is why suggesting that they are into it as much as you are is delusional. I'm sure there are some nympho type women that are into this type of sex work, but I don't think they represent the norm. You'll find a very common trend with these women is that they had or still have drug issues and doing sex work provides them with the funds to be able to afford them. In fact, I'd actually add that this is the norm for escorts/prostitutes.

There are some higher tier escorts that are basically like sugar babies that get flown around or trying to social climb for instance. A lot of these thots you see on instagram I guarantee are doing something along these lines, I consider this a form of prostitution to some extent. Basically, have an instagram with photos that show off their attractiveness but add in some stuff at nightclubs, travel, etc. and it's basically an advertisement. They get a dm from some guy in LA or NYC who is willing to fly them out and pay for all of their expenses for a weekend trip, but with the expectation that there will be something out of it.

I personally compare sex with a prostitute to that of just masturbation but with a live body, it's not real and not at all the same thing as doing it with a woman that actually wants you. I think a lot of guys that don't understand this either haven't experienced both sides of this coin OR are just overly horny when having sex with a prostitute and aren't in the right frame to understand this lol.
 

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i agree, can't speak for everyone and they are also still human beings too at the end of the day.
Soon as a man and woman are one on one together the game is ALWAYS on
Always. If an rather attractive man walks into a hookers room she'll obviously be pleasantly surprised, unless she has a bad day.

It was also rather about the MEN their experiences and how THEY felt it was better than xyz.

The anticipation, perhaps (easy)access to a woman hb8,5 or higher ,favorite sought after race, fantasy came true(no diddy) that he could never fulfill with a woman he dated seriously.

Another BIG factor can be the amount you are willing to pay. Overhere I know that from 200 euro and up you will get a pretty woman who will give you a GOOD time. Returning costumers..these women use their body to run a BUSINESS, and can easily make up to a 1000 bucks a damn day...for fecking perhaps even good looking well trained men with money .

On top of that its indeed her DUTY to make the experience great..like a good restaurant you know? The chef might go through a divorce and be heartbroken, the food will still taste supreme..

I also think a lot of you underestimate how much criminal money goes directly to( higher end) prostitutes . Its basically a perfect combination of badboys and bad girls. This all happens behind the curtains of "normal society ".

As my uncle always used to say: " once they're sitting doggy in front of you they're basically all the same..". A player will wanna feck EVERY woman and make some kinda impression. Even the biggest slvt will scream when you hit it right.

Modern women are not easy too put into this type of polarity

And not only must you put her there you must also actively keep her there

It's no shock many men suffer from dead bedroom
You are right. Although @The Duke made a golden post there, the OP comes from a place of a "dying bedroom ". Sounds dramatic but its true..we've ALL been there at least once.

Its extremely difficult to KEEP her in that perfect submissive position for..as long as you'll be with her. And once you invest big(kids house ect) you'll need her to stay there for many, many years..good luck with that nowadays..

I sound doom and gloom when I say let her go :D . I bet there are deeper underlying issues at play. In this case OP wants to know how to pursue a woman to do things she always refuses.

Basically OP needs to open up (Just to name few) about;
- how/who he is now and how/who he was when they met.
- what she refused to do(I can geussbut still)
-is there room for personal improvement? A long list : from personal hygiene to swag to dominance to actual skills in the sack..time spent together ect ect ect
-


let @BeExcellent say something about this. ..
 

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Delusional in 99.999% of cases. Money is required for access. Additionally a significant number of female prostitutes are lesbians. Of course she’s going to tell you how amazing you are while she fakes her orgasms to ensure a tip and return clientele. I can guarantee you that any woman on the face of the planet thinks a guy that has to pay for sex is pathetic. Magical thinking.

Johns will tell themselves whatever they need to in order to justify them feeling good about their experience.

Again delusional.

But hey, tell yourself whatever you want to.
I dont know man...just imagine YOU YOURSELF having a "boys night out" and we end up in a stripclub. Would you be surprised the women are glancing at you when you are dressed to kill ,smell good ect?

Ive known plenty of women who did the job and most of them 1. Have boyfriends...2. Have actual relationships with returning customers, some will leave her a good tip, some will actually text and mix up personal live with "business ". Even average women can have 4 boyfriends. These women meet so much men in the timespan of lets say a year, that the probability of a Chad tier-ish dude dropping by is huge.

Its just a man and a woman, it aint that deep imo. You know about the Laufhause. I know dudes( especially from my Caribbean side) who'll dress like they're going to meet Jesus himself. The Laufhause is a boys night out with guaranteed fecking for less than 100 bucks..just an example. Even "worse" are the more exclusive clubs, where you enter and get a bottle of wine and a bathrobe, and actual local women are there to make money and...have fun.

Cant blame a man who loves p00sy for going there..
 

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I dont know man...just imagine YOU YOURSELF having a "boys night out" and we end up in a stripclub. Would you be surprised the women are glancing at you when you are dressed to kill ,smell good ect?

Ive known plenty of women who did the job and most of them 1. Have boyfriends...2. Have actual relationships with returning customers, some will leave her a good tip, some will actually text and mix up personal live with "business ". Even average women can have 4 boyfriends. These women meet so much men in the timespan of lets say a year, that the probability of a Chad tier-ish dude dropping by is huge.

Its just a man and a woman, it aint that deep imo. You know about the Laufhause. I know dudes( especially from my Caribbean side) who'll dress like they're going to meet Jesus himself. The Laufhause is a boys night out with guaranteed fecking for less than 100 bucks..just an example. Even "worse" are the more exclusive clubs, where you enter and get a bottle of wine and a bathrobe, and actual local women are there to make money and...have fun.

Cant blame a man who loves p00sy for going there..
All of that is fine and well, but it’s delusional to think the prostitutes want anything from you but your money. She’s not hot for you, and doesn’t like you in the conventional sense, of course they prefer an easier customer. Her job is to get you off and get you to come back.

Self-deception is deep.
 

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All of that is fine and well, but it’s delusional to think the prostitutes want anything from you but your money. She’s not hot for you, and doesn’t like you in the conventional sense, of course they prefer an easier customer. Her job is to get you off and get you to come back.

Self-deception is deep.
I am torn.

I know exactly what you mean. Best example is the fact I haven't done this for more than i think 4 years now ,despite having the opportunity to visit a hooker legally 24/7. I have to admit that a lotta tomes the sex was indeed robotic. Its a 20 /80 kinda thing ,where those 2 great experiences make a man go through 8 lackluster experiences ( and they can be pricey AND yet chip away confidence...seen it happen!)


And yet, during my entire lifetime I have seen with my own eyes how hooker and client go beyond the normal interaction. Think drugs dealer /hooker. Sex addiction Chad/hooker. Trustfund kid/hooker! Not obese, broke ,sweaty 45 y.o potato looking dude..I even know MANY dudes who got into a relationship with a hookers....(you read that correctly mein freund. )

Perhaps at the end of the day it doesn't matter if a man deludes himself. Both parties ending up with exactly what they want without any bs or beating around the bushes; she gets a bag, he gets his wurst wet.
 

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.I even know MANY dudes who got into a relationship with a hookers....(you read that correctly mein freund. )
ok on the bright side your friends doesn’t have to worry about her taking other c0cks, it’s guaranteed!

“hey honey how was your day at work?”
“Pretty good 4 guys came in my mouth, 3 in my arse and 6 in my twaat! Yours?”
 
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@pipeman84 and @H8CourtshipWithAPassion

I think you guys are totally missing the fact that if these escorts/prostitutes are doing their job properly or are good at what they do you will feel like it was real, that you both had the night of your lives, etc. lol. I used to read through the reddit sub forum for sex workers and I remember seeing posts about how if a man felt like he wasn't in love that she did something wrong lol, or the female escorts themselves would say this if they got that feeling. @Pierce Manhammer and @The Duke clearly understand this, which is why suggesting that they are into it as much as you are is delusional. I'm sure there are some nympho type women that are into this type of sex work, but I don't think they represent the norm. You'll find a very common trend with these women is that they had or still have drug issues and doing sex work provides them with the funds to be able to afford them. In fact, I'd actually add that this is the norm for escorts/prostitutes.

There are some higher tier escorts that are basically like sugar babies that get flown around or trying to social climb for instance. A lot of these thots you see on instagram I guarantee are doing something along these lines, I consider this a form of prostitution to some extent. Basically, have an instagram with photos that show off their attractiveness but add in some stuff at nightclubs, travel, etc. and it's basically an advertisement. They get a dm from some guy in LA or NYC who is willing to fly them out and pay for all of their expenses for a weekend trip, but with the expectation that there will be something out of it.

I personally compare sex with a prostitute to that of just masturbation but with a live body, it's not real and not at all the same thing as doing it with a woman that actually wants you. I think a lot of guys that don't understand this either haven't experienced both sides of this coin OR are just overly horny when having sex with a prostitute and aren't in the right frame to understand this lol.
i figure lots of men do this because it doesn't require any game or courtship, seduction, social skills
 

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she needs to toe the line and fear losing you. Give her a reason to mark her territory and
fvck your guts out in bed.
Instill dread game. Introduce a competitor as in start talking to a hotter chick and let her find out “accidentally”. Even better if you fvck the hotter chick.

Nowadays, if a girl finds out you’ve been cheating she is very likely to say ‘don’t do it again’, shout a bit, threaten a bit, cry a bit and leave it at that. If she makes a nasty sh!tstorm about it, it means that she views you as a beta.
 
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Soon as a man and woman are one on one together the game is ALWAYS on
Always. If an rather attractive man walks into a hookers room she'll obviously be pleasantly surprised, unless she has a bad day.

It was also rather about the MEN their experiences and how THEY felt it was better than xyz.

The anticipation, perhaps (easy)access to a woman hb8,5 or higher ,favorite sought after race, fantasy came true(no diddy) that he could never fulfill with a woman he dated seriously.

Another BIG factor can be the amount you are willing to pay. Overhere I know that from 200 euro and up you will get a pretty woman who will give you a GOOD time. Returning costumers..these women use their body to run a BUSINESS, and can easily make up to a 1000 bucks a damn day...for fecking perhaps even good looking well trained men with money .

On top of that its indeed her DUTY to make the experience great..like a good restaurant you know? The chef might go through a divorce and be heartbroken, the food will still taste supreme..

I also think a lot of you underestimate how much criminal money goes directly to( higher end) prostitutes . Its basically a perfect combination of badboys and bad girls. This all happens behind the curtains of "normal society ".

As my uncle always used to say: " once they're sitting doggy in front of you they're basically all the same..". A player will wanna feck EVERY woman and make some kinda impression. Even the biggest slvt will scream when you hit it right.


You are right. Although @The Duke made a golden post there, the OP comes from a place of a "dying bedroom ". Sounds dramatic but its true..we've ALL been there at least once.

Its extremely difficult to KEEP her in that perfect submissive position for..as long as you'll be with her. And once you invest big(kids house ect) you'll need her to stay there for many, many years..good luck with that nowadays..

I sound doom and gloom when I say let her go :D . I bet there are deeper underlying issues at play. In this case OP wants to know how to pursue a woman to do things she always refuses.

Basically OP needs to open up (Just to name few) about;
- how/who he is now and how/who he was when they met.
- what she refused to do(I can geussbut still)
-is there room for personal improvement? A long list : from personal hygiene to swag to dominance to actual skills in the sack..time spent together ect ect ect
-


let @BeExcellent say something about this. ..
of course to each their own, but i figure going to an escort/sex worker is better than remaining a virgin later than normal, even though people will say its fake sex or not real, but at the end of the day, its still sex with a real actual human being though.

I figure in the future, this will make the stigma of paying for sex with an escort/sex worker, or prostitute, the stigma not being as bad, negative as it was previously, they say that sex robots will become a reality in the coming decades, and obviously sex with the former instead of the latter, is obviously going to be more real than with a robot/machine.
 

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@Learning Curve - Please don't take it personally, but I've never had any sort of problem like this. I've had multiple medium and long term relationships so there has been plenty of opportunity for problems like this to creep up, yet its never happened.

So what are you doing or not doing? What part do you play that might be causing this?

I guarantee you here are the reasons I don't have these problems:

-I certainly never ask a woman for what I want in the bedroom, I simply tell her or direct her. Women like men to lead and when you do they submit easier and are happier to do so.
-I set the tone of what type of sex transpires(p0rn star, rough, loving, passionate, etc).
-I have my way with women. I position them how I want, and they love it.
-I push boundaries.
-I do every position in the Kama Sutra.
-Sex toys are fun.
-New locations: parking garages on the top level, hotel room windows, adult video store, in the woods, in public, parking lot.
-I set the expectation.
-I'm very adventurous, pretty much nothing is off limits.
-Her pleasure is as important as mine. I always make sure she is satisfied.
-I always have candles going in the bedroom.
-I let her know how her sexy body turns me on.
-If you think penetration and no ****oral stimulation makes you great, you need to expand your skill set.
-Sex always lasts longer than 30min. I can go 3hrs.
-Sometimes I'll beat that pu$$y up so bad that she'll be sore the next day and loving it.
-I call them my personal wh0re/kum slut whatever when I'm pulling her hair.

I've always looked at sex as I'm the one that runs the show. All I need is a willing participant to follow my lead. If I do a good job it falls into place and we are both very satisfied.
Interesting concepts thanks for sharing.
 
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