Phoenix_of_the_ashes
Master Don Juan
I dont enjoy this missusing of my name...
just joking, carry on.
just joking, carry on.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
BootCamp - Clan of the Phoenix
- Thread starter The Phoenix
- Start date
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Thanks for facilitating Phoenix.
I statrted yesterday because I felt really weird about starting on a Thursday. So this week will be my first week.
I was wondering if my 3 year old copy of DJ bootcamp is still good. Or did they come out with a new one?
I statrted yesterday because I felt really weird about starting on a Thursday. So this week will be my first week.
I was wondering if my 3 year old copy of DJ bootcamp is still good. Or did they come out with a new one?
amoka
Master Don Juan
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Start all over.
Folks, i thought I got this thing all lined-up. It's pretty difficult to get back in the game if you don't practice. I skipped the IC portion of the exercise and thought I could move on to the next section, which is convo with stragers. I could not carry on a meaningful conversation with girls. I think I will start all over.
Folks, i thought I got this thing all lined-up. It's pretty difficult to get back in the game if you don't practice. I skipped the IC portion of the exercise and thought I could move on to the next section, which is convo with stragers. I could not carry on a meaningful conversation with girls. I think I will start all over.
The Phoenix
Don Juan
Guys,
I haven't heard much from you which leads me to believe that either you have no questions, encountered no struggle or are letting yourselves go (or don't have access to the net daily) keep on hammering, don't make me get where you are and :kick: ur butts.
We have had a few members join and I have added them to the list accordingly. See my previous post with a roaster.
I encourage you to create a link to your own thread which you will call "Approach Journal" and add it to your signature. There you will keep close account of your estupendous adventures as you become a DJ. I am working on mine, will post soon.
I am left with 15 more Hello's before tomorrow, and a few meaningful conversations. Will go into detail once I create my approach journal. Will only be able to post at night though, though I will monitor progress during the day (schedule conflicts)
Best Luck
I haven't heard much from you which leads me to believe that either you have no questions, encountered no struggle or are letting yourselves go (or don't have access to the net daily) keep on hammering, don't make me get where you are and :kick: ur butts.
We have had a few members join and I have added them to the list accordingly. See my previous post with a roaster.
I encourage you to create a link to your own thread which you will call "Approach Journal" and add it to your signature. There you will keep close account of your estupendous adventures as you become a DJ. I am working on mine, will post soon.
I am left with 15 more Hello's before tomorrow, and a few meaningful conversations. Will go into detail once I create my approach journal. Will only be able to post at night though, though I will monitor progress during the day (schedule conflicts)
Best Luck
The Phoenix
Don Juan
Good news, I can now monitor from sidekick will post DJ joournal soon.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Jezz
Don Juan
Well - since i don't want to clutter the forum up with another post - heres my first journal entry. Post your opinions,etc if you want. This party occured after i started the program so i think its relevant.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=103055&highlight=wh0re
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=103055&highlight=wh0re
ThePhoenixProject
Don Juan
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here's my late report (hey, it's still thursday here):
during the past week, initiated a lot of ECs. some brushed it off, some maintained. a lot happened at the lobby of the place where i work. some at the gym. a couple of Hi's with a nod. no approach, though.
last tuesday and wednesday, though, i was at a convention for contact centers. now, these companies have a lot of HBs... and HBs i tell you!
i approached a lot of chics and even got a number. but i don't think that should count coz i was there for work (im in sales... but i can't approach when it's not work related! how ironic!). i was tasked to network (gulp!)!
there were solid 9.5s though, which shared several ECs with me. as in i was checking them out, then later on i'll see them checking me out then we would lock eyes. didn't approach them coz i was still shy. damn!
fitness: did biceps-legs last saturday (before hitting the bars with friends); chest-ticeps last monday (hot chics on the dance class!); wasn't able to do anything last wedenesday due to the convention.
during the past week, initiated a lot of ECs. some brushed it off, some maintained. a lot happened at the lobby of the place where i work. some at the gym. a couple of Hi's with a nod. no approach, though.
last tuesday and wednesday, though, i was at a convention for contact centers. now, these companies have a lot of HBs... and HBs i tell you!
i approached a lot of chics and even got a number. but i don't think that should count coz i was there for work (im in sales... but i can't approach when it's not work related! how ironic!). i was tasked to network (gulp!)!
there were solid 9.5s though, which shared several ECs with me. as in i was checking them out, then later on i'll see them checking me out then we would lock eyes. didn't approach them coz i was still shy. damn!
fitness: did biceps-legs last saturday (before hitting the bars with friends); chest-ticeps last monday (hot chics on the dance class!); wasn't able to do anything last wedenesday due to the convention.
The Phoenix
Don Juan
Testing DJ Journal
Yo,
I see new faces in our Clan, good the more the stronger we get.
Alright my Brothers, I hope this weekend was productive, so here is an Update
Roaster + Update:
The Phoenix - 38 hello's done 12 to go
-Dude Bob - Sarging at Supermarket
-2c2bt - Starting all over
-ApC23 - Pending Action Report
-amoka -Starting all over
-Jezz - Reported - Good Job
ThePhoenixProject - Reported - Good Job
AverageJoe5 - New Member - Pending Action Report
_AllStar - new member - Pending Report
Alaric - new member - Pending Report
Guys here are the main issues I am encountering:
1) Best places to approach
2) Approaching while having to much social proof - is this valid or cheating?
3) Approaching at bars with No social proof
I am at a loss with this, any ideas, how did you guys do at the bars? I wasn't to active, didn't want to look supplicating, but I was Money everywhere else.
Cheers,
Yo,
I see new faces in our Clan, good the more the stronger we get.
Alright my Brothers, I hope this weekend was productive, so here is an Update
Roaster + Update:
The Phoenix - 38 hello's done 12 to go
-Dude Bob - Sarging at Supermarket
-2c2bt - Starting all over
-ApC23 - Pending Action Report
-amoka -Starting all over
-Jezz - Reported - Good Job
ThePhoenixProject - Reported - Good Job
AverageJoe5 - New Member - Pending Action Report
_AllStar - new member - Pending Report
Alaric - new member - Pending Report
Guys here are the main issues I am encountering:
1) Best places to approach
2) Approaching while having to much social proof - is this valid or cheating?
3) Approaching at bars with No social proof
I am at a loss with this, any ideas, how did you guys do at the bars? I wasn't to active, didn't want to look supplicating, but I was Money everywhere else.
Cheers,
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
first day report...,
well i read the intro and chapter 1 week one last night., i started today fresh and i went into work and started doing the eye thing. mostly all older women, but a few younger ones (mind i am only 19). i probably got about 10 or 15 looks at work..,
then when i came home , i decided to go to the mall. i dressed pretty nice and went with a few friends (they just tagged along). the mall was the best place to go by far (even on a thursday night). being in for about only 2 minutes i already had about 7 or 8 looks.., the eye contact thing. i kept doing this and i'd say i got about 25-27 eye contact today.. only one `hi` and it came from a older lady..., so i wont count it.
i noticed when i would be looking at the girls in the eye, i would think of two things
1. what if they have a boyfriend, and they tell their boyfriend this guy is looking at me
2. do you think i look stupid just staring at these random girls?
anyway., today was a good day... this weekend shall be good.
well i read the intro and chapter 1 week one last night., i started today fresh and i went into work and started doing the eye thing. mostly all older women, but a few younger ones (mind i am only 19). i probably got about 10 or 15 looks at work..,
then when i came home , i decided to go to the mall. i dressed pretty nice and went with a few friends (they just tagged along). the mall was the best place to go by far (even on a thursday night). being in for about only 2 minutes i already had about 7 or 8 looks.., the eye contact thing. i kept doing this and i'd say i got about 25-27 eye contact today.. only one `hi` and it came from a older lady..., so i wont count it.
i noticed when i would be looking at the girls in the eye, i would think of two things
1. what if they have a boyfriend, and they tell their boyfriend this guy is looking at me
2. do you think i look stupid just staring at these random girls?
anyway., today was a good day... this weekend shall be good.
Nice job on the field report._allstar said:
1) As long as you aren't staring like a crazy psychopath it should be cool. The moment she breaks eyecontact, look elsewhere. Then catch a glimpse of her again to see if she's looking your way. Boyfriend isn't going to do anything unless he's really insecure.
2) No, you'd look dumber just staring at the floor when you walk. Don't gaze like a hawk though, look at different places once in awhile.
WEEKLY MISSION REPORT
Friday--Went to the mall. Got a total of 24 eye contacts and 15 hellos. I also managed to start a conversation with a shopkeeper (head start for Level 2 lol)
Sunday--Mall again. Got 21 eye contacts (total now 45) and 18 hellos (total now 33)
Monday--Wandered around the local marketplace and did 11 each eye contacts and hellos (56 and 44). I also tried to start a couple of conversations but kept chickening out.
Tuesday--Wandered around the marketplace some more. 14 eye contacts, 10 hellos (70 and 54). Once again attempted to get a head start on Level 2 but chickened out. It's gonna take awhile to get the hang of this!
Wednesday--I visited the local swimming pool and joined in with a group of kids playing aqua-basketball (I consider this an accomplishment since I have always felt anxiety when trying to join in with strangers). I even got kissed by one of the girls in the group--though unfortunately I can't take any credit for this because it only happened due to relentless dares from the guys in the group, and because she made the first move.
Today (Thursday)--While shopping for a gift for my sister I started up a good 5-minute conversation with the shopkeeper (nice head start for Level 2).
My goal for Level 2 is to initiate a total of 15 conversations with 15 different strangers and get a total of 60 minutes of conversation. I want to get as much practice as possible so I will not count the two head-starts I got during Week 1.
I'm also going to switch to daily or bi-daily reports instead of weekly. This will help me remember more specific details and will enable me to ask for advice and encouragement mid-week.
Friday--Went to the mall. Got a total of 24 eye contacts and 15 hellos. I also managed to start a conversation with a shopkeeper (head start for Level 2 lol)
Sunday--Mall again. Got 21 eye contacts (total now 45) and 18 hellos (total now 33)
Monday--Wandered around the local marketplace and did 11 each eye contacts and hellos (56 and 44). I also tried to start a couple of conversations but kept chickening out.
Tuesday--Wandered around the marketplace some more. 14 eye contacts, 10 hellos (70 and 54). Once again attempted to get a head start on Level 2 but chickened out. It's gonna take awhile to get the hang of this!
Wednesday--I visited the local swimming pool and joined in with a group of kids playing aqua-basketball (I consider this an accomplishment since I have always felt anxiety when trying to join in with strangers). I even got kissed by one of the girls in the group--though unfortunately I can't take any credit for this because it only happened due to relentless dares from the guys in the group, and because she made the first move.
Today (Thursday)--While shopping for a gift for my sister I started up a good 5-minute conversation with the shopkeeper (nice head start for Level 2).
My goal for Level 2 is to initiate a total of 15 conversations with 15 different strangers and get a total of 60 minutes of conversation. I want to get as much practice as possible so I will not count the two head-starts I got during Week 1.
I'm also going to switch to daily or bi-daily reports instead of weekly. This will help me remember more specific details and will enable me to ask for advice and encouragement mid-week.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Chosen1
Master Don Juan
hey i'm not in the bootcamp but keep up the good work especially you dude bob you'll be good in no time
The Phoenix
Don Juan
Yo all
Great Job Dude_Bob
Alaric, eye contact is key, that is the measure of power of your being, never bow or divert your eyes from anyone.
Sorry I haven't been able to keep current with your report guys.
I had an incident and I am a little depressed, but hopefully I will bounce back in no time.
S#it I am back, wow, that didn't take that long.
Keep on critiquing each others work and get ready for week two.
Cheers,
Great Job Dude_Bob
Alaric, eye contact is key, that is the measure of power of your being, never bow or divert your eyes from anyone.
Sorry I haven't been able to keep current with your report guys.
I had an incident and I am a little depressed, but hopefully I will bounce back in no time.
S#it I am back, wow, that didn't take that long.
Keep on critiquing each others work and get ready for week two.
Cheers,
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The Phoenix
Don Juan
About the hello's and EC.
Dude_Bob, good style, I guess the mall would be a good start. I did ok with my hellos most of them where while I was rushing to my friends house on the Street for band practice, so it was very hmm "on transit" if that is a term.
I was money with a couple of conversations though, my best was at my building's lobbie, I saw this cuttie waiting for someone while I was waiting to be picked up by my bud too, so I just started a conversation it was like 10 minutes long 'cause we both had to leave, but it was good.
I want to go to a coffee shop to finish my hello's or somewhere where I can find people that are not as defensive as in the street or clubs and bars. Any ideas? i am in the city so there are few malls out here. I will try the gym (my ex goes there though and I am avoiding her)
Ideas anyone?
Are you guys ready to start phase 2 and your conversations with people??
Dude_Bob, good style, I guess the mall would be a good start. I did ok with my hellos most of them where while I was rushing to my friends house on the Street for band practice, so it was very hmm "on transit" if that is a term.
I was money with a couple of conversations though, my best was at my building's lobbie, I saw this cuttie waiting for someone while I was waiting to be picked up by my bud too, so I just started a conversation it was like 10 minutes long 'cause we both had to leave, but it was good.
I want to go to a coffee shop to finish my hello's or somewhere where I can find people that are not as defensive as in the street or clubs and bars. Any ideas? i am in the city so there are few malls out here. I will try the gym (my ex goes there though and I am avoiding her)
Ideas anyone?
Are you guys ready to start phase 2 and your conversations with people??
How about starting a new bootcamp for those who are interested (guys need support!!!)The Phoenix
Don Juan
Join our BootCamp Eclipse24,
You can still make it, I have 15 more hello's to go, I plan to continue my Hello's while I start in my 10 minute conversations with people when I can.
I think you are still in time, if you want to join us
You can still make it, I have 15 more hello's to go, I plan to continue my Hello's while I start in my 10 minute conversations with people when I can.
I think you are still in time, if you want to join us
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.