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Smartone84 said:i feel like i'm chasing a 21 year old girl still obsessed with going out and partying, and playing with guys heads
Well, since you keep posting about her, I guess that's what you like.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Smartone84 said:i feel like i'm chasing a 21 year old girl still obsessed with going out and partying, and playing with guys heads
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
AAAgent said:also I think there are two types of guys girls are generally interested in and you're not one of them atm.
1.) The guy who is confident and persistent.
He doesn't care if the girl likes him or not as he goes after what he wants.
2.) The mysterious guy who the girl is intrigued by and doesn't know if he likes her.
Girls will try to get this type of guys attention but will always fail to do so thereby making her resort to throwing herself at him.
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you don't really fit either.
You were close to being the first guy but you were worried about whether she likes you or not. If she doesn't like you she will tell you to go away. Judge her based off her actions. If she had a good time and seemed into, then she is into you and don't think otherwise.
Smartone84 said:NOW- for the update - Monday she texts me TWO SEPARATE times during the day. Both comments, no questions. Just making small talk about stuff about how she is mad she has to wake up for work tomorrow after all her time off, etc. I wrote back simple but funny type responses. That was it. Never went to her at all. She came to ME. Is it possible now that this girl's IL is growing a bit? Not holding my breath too much, but we'll see.
Her interest in you as another one of her admirers is definitely rising. Let me ask you this, when you went to meet her at the bar with her friends, I'm willing to bet there were other "guy friends" there as well? If so, these are the guys who were in your shoes a few months prior, but have zero game and cling to hope that one day she will want them. I know as your username indicates, your too smart to be one of those guys.
All I know is that whether its a hit and quit, or a few more dates, i'm willing to hang on with the "I don't really care" attitude.
That would be ideal, but the irony in all this is you DO CARE and you care because like all of us have been guilty of at some point or another; you have gotten emotional for this girl before getting physical. It clouds your judgment, makes you over-analyze and in general is a game killer. You have given her false value emotionally, even though your logical side knows she's not worth it at all.
I'm thinking of waitin til thursday night and asking her to hang Saturday. That way I can have her for a full weekend night with no worries of work or anything in the morning. Would definitely be great. WIll i get the date? We'll see...
You don't have enough attraction built up at this point for me to think she would agree to hang out with you on a Saturday night. She might agree to a weekday night.
Pimpsicle if you're out there, your thoughts??
If i had to summarize my thoughts based on what's happened, I'd say your chasing and chasing hard. She dangles the carrot in front of you and you go running. It should be the other way around and unless you can flip the script on her, without letting your emotions get involved I don't see this going anywhere. However, she does sound like she might be whacked in the head a bit, so going straight up @ss-hole on her might get you further than your current tactic. At this point I agree with you, nothing to lose, so try and get her out, get some drinks and see if you can escalate. Remember, even AW's need sex from guys they are attracted to; most will tell you they are much easier lay and perhaps that's true to an extent, but you still have keep your game tight to make it happen. I'd disappear for a few days, see if she text/FB's you. If she does, ignore it for a couple days and see if she starts coming after you a little harder. If she doesn't then I'd start looking elsewhere because your just stroking her ego and it sounds like its a big one.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.