Blackpill reality is female reality

[Drmuscular]

As men YOU have flexibility to get what you want.

You can get your money up

You can get your status up

You can get your looks up

You can get better game to compensate for deficiencies

You can generate emotional connection

When I see all these blackpilled men, while looks are definitely useful and does open you doors, I cant help but say "There is something FEMININE about this"

Think about it, for us men Looks might open you doors, but it doesn't let you stay inside the room, I'm all for self improvement, but the greatest lie to our generation is that we can be like women, go to the gym, improve your looks, and "women will come" its doesn't work that way, you must offer more and approach, yet still you have MORE POWER because you have the FREEDOM to get your life in order in all aspects.

Being STATIC and exclusively "focusing on yourself" and hope that women will suddenly jump you is INHERENTLY FEMININE. Women want MEN, not BOYS nor FEMINIZED MEN.

Lets consider, what can a woman do to improve her dating chances? they can only:

1. improve their looks (which inevitably fade with age)

2. improve their attitudes (In general more willing to respect and please their man which includes "acting" feminine)

A lot of men these days are closed off to the FEMALE REALITY of the blackpill, yet they relinquish their potential and advantage that it brings them to be A MAN, the incel movement falls into the trap of blaming everything around them, but it is our responsibility as men to ACT to get what we want.

APPRECIATE being a male, because what life has just offered you is FREEDOM. Freedom comes with responsibility, it is YOUR responsibility to make of yourself the most as you can.

A thing that, while feminism tries to bring to women, either by removing the freedoms of men or improving their own, can never truly bring. Take advantage of your biology and the social constructs of our society that are limited within them. If there are systematic issues, be the one to step forward and attempt a change.

 

[Solomon]

Masculinity is not whining, Blackpill is a coping mechanism for subpar men to enable and glow in victimhood most blackpillers(from what I've seen on forums and youtube) are lazy, entitled and just as delusional as the women they complain about. Also a lot of them aren't attractive. Are there some men who are disabled, severely undersized (short) etc. Sure but most of the Blackpillers are just bitter guy who are to lazy to put in the basic work to compete.

As men we are expected to compete for good housing, good jobs, good education etc. Men understand this and have no issues with this but when it comes to competing for women no one is louder at whining then a blackpiller.

Another thing is most Blackpillers suffer from awkward perosnalties and major porn addictions. This is why they think LMS is all they need and they would have women, I also think that most may be autistic and think that having LMS alone will get them the women they want. The truth is LMS doesn't guarantee relationship retention just look at Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Tom Brady etc. Sure if they put on muscle and let's say get ripped hey would get more attention from women and maybe even laid. However if you're socially awkward, can't read social cues etc. It will be very tough to keep and maintain relationships. A lot of men who have these issues don't even have basic social skills. They need to seek therapy.

As men the onus is on us to be the best versions of ourselves no one is going to save you things won't be "Fair" life for men never has been fair once men realize this and LOCK IN and GRIND that's when real growth happens. Great thread OP

 

[The Duke]

As men YOU have flexibility to get what you want.

You can get your money up

You can get your status up

You can get your looks up

You can get better game to compensate for deficiencies

You can generate emotional connection

When I see all these blackpilled men, while looks are definitely useful and does open you doors, I cant help but say "There is something FEMININE about this"

Think about it, for us men Looks might open you doors, but it doesn't let you stay inside the room, I'm all for self improvement, but the greatest lie to our generation is that we can be like women, go to the gym, improve your looks, and "women will come" its doesn't work that way, you must offer more and approach, yet still you have MORE POWER because you have the FREEDOM to get your life in order in all aspects.

Being STATIC and exclusively "focusing on yourself" and hope that women will suddenly jump you is INHERENTLY FEMININE. Women want MEN, not BOYS nor FEMINIZED MEN.

Lets consider, what can a woman do to improve her dating chances? they can only:

1. improve their looks (which inevitably fade with age)

2. improve their attitudes (In general more willing to respect and please their man which includes "acting" feminine)

A lot of men these days are closed off to the FEMALE REALITY of the blackpill, yet they relinquish their potential and advantage that it brings them to be A MAN, the incel movement falls into the trap of blaming everything around them, but it is our responsibility as men to ACT to get what we want.

APPRECIATE being a male, because what life has just offered you is FREEDOM. Freedom comes with responsibility, it is YOUR responsibility to make of yourself the most as you can.

A thing that, while feminism tries to bring to women, either by removing the freedoms of men or improving their own, can never truly bring. Take advantage of your biology and the social constructs of our society that are limited within them. If there are systematic issues, be the one to step forward and attempt a change.

Over the past several years there has been a trend for men to seek out more feminized beauty routines such as facials, nail manicures, botox, moisturizers, risers in their shoes, etc. Its even been promoted here on this forum.

I've thought that it was so feminine of them. Women are't looking for another woman. They want a man, act accordingly. We've got the greatest population of feminized men that I have ever seen.

 

[SW15]

Blackpill is a coping mechanism for subpar men to enable and glow in victimhood most blackpillers(from what I've seen on forums and youtube) are lazy, entitled and just as delusional as the women they complain about.

When I think about the differences between black pill and red pill, I tend to think of the black pill as the more fatalistic and pessimistic version of the red pill. Is this correct?

I perceive that the black pill has grown more than the red pill in the past 10-15 years.

most Blackpillers suffer from awkward perosnalties and major porn addictions. This is why they think LMS is all they need and they would have women, I also think that most may be autistic and think that having LMS alone will get them the women they want. The truth is LMS doesn't guarantee relationship retention just look at Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Tom Brady etc. Sure if they put on muscle and let's say get ripped hey would get more attention from women and maybe even laid. However if you're socially awkward, can't read social cues etc. It will be very tough to keep and maintain relationships. A lot of men who have these issues don't even have basic social skills. They need to seek therapy.

In my opinion, personality matters less than Looks, Money, and Status (LMS). However, personality can make a difference.

Social awkwardness and a lack of social skills is going to hurt in both initial attraction and in retention. Looks or money might be able to carry a man with limited social skill to short term pussie but could often hurt with keeping women around for some extended period of time.

We have similar viewpoints on this idea. We probably vary on how much each variable in looks, money, status, and personality matter.

Porn addiction is really bad. I am proud of myself that I started a no porn and no masturbation habit many years back. It's tough to do that.

The growth of high speed internet connections in the 2000s made porn a lot more accessible and likely increased porn addiction. Mobile phone internet browsing also likely doesn't help with porn addiction either. I never accessed the porn tube sites and other internet porn on my mobile phone before quitting porn. However, I can imagine that would be difficult for a lot of porn addicted people.

 

[Solomon]

In my opinion, personality matters less than Looks, Money, and Status (LMS). However, personality can make a difference.

Social awkwardness and a lack of social skills is going to hurt in both initial attraction and in retention. Looks or money might be able to carry a man with limited social skill to short term pussie but could often hurt with keeping women around for some extended period of time.

We have similar viewpoints on this idea. We probably vary on how much each variable in looks, money, status, and personality matter.

Porn addiction is really bad. I am proud of myself that I started a no porn and no masturbation habit many years back. It's tough to do that.

The growth of high speed internet connections in the 2000s made porn a lot more accessible and likely increased porn addiction. Mobile phone internet browsing also likely doesn't help with porn addiction either. I never accessed the porn tube sites and other internet porn on my mobile phone before quitting porn. However, I can imagine that would be difficult for a lot of porn addicted people.

If you are ripped guy but socially awkward, you may get laid but eventually you will not be able to retain women for long. Most men desire relationships eventually. Also most women care about their status in their friend group, if their boyfriend is a dumba$$ who is awkward, guess what she will drop a guy if it ruins her reputation. Women prioritize their status over their own relationship happiness all the time. hence women dump good men. They are exceptions but this is generally the rule, especially if we talk about hot women. As a man you need to understand social cues, you need to understand how to talk to women, women do not communicate the same way as men. A guy whose autistic or has poor social skills would be lost in the sauce due to women's passive aggressive communication, speaking in inuuendos, double speak etc. Part of having frame is how do you deal with **** tyst as a man. A guy with no social skills will fall for it every time This is why personality does matter. Your personality will dictate how you handle these situations. If you're personality is to always react mad or clueless, eventually a woman will get tired of it. They may like it at first because women test men to see how far they can manipulate him but no woman wants to deal with a guy who can't grasp a simple shyt test or a joke. If a woman tries to throw a curveball at the back of your head instead of falling for the bait and playing it cool it makes a huge difference and that's just one general example. Now a days even LMS doesn't guarantee that you will get laid because women are so flaky

 

[SW15]

If you are ripped guy but socially awkward, you may get laid but eventually you will not be able to retain women for long.

Agree that retention will be an issue. If a guy can seduce enough new women, the retention problem will be limited. Regardless, this will be higher effort and cause more psychological trauma.

Most men desire relationships eventually.

I agree. Blue pill ideology men are more relationship oriented than most. Red pill men and even black pill men often desire longer term relationships at some point after turning 30.

most women care about their status in their friend group, if their boyfriend is a dumba$$ who is awkward, guess what she will drop a guy if it ruins her reputation. Women prioritize their status over their own relationship happiness all the time. hence women dump good men. They are exceptions but this is generally the rule, especially if we talk about hot women.

This is more of an issue for attractive women under 30. Women in the 30-39 range typically have weaker friend groups. Most unattached women in the 30-39 are friends with other women in LTRs and married. Often, their friend groups are comprised of females with young children at that point. Women 30-39 have friend groups that aren't going to be able to be emotionally involved in the details of her life.

As a man you need to understand social cues, you need to understand how to talk to women, women do not communicate the same way as men. A guy whose autistic or has poor social skills would be lost in the sauce due to women's passive aggressive communication, speaking in inuuendos, double speak etc. Part of having frame is how do you deal with **** tyst as a man. A guy with no social skills will fall for it every time This is why personality does matter. Your personality will dictate how you handle these situations. If you're personality is to always react mad or clueless, eventually a woman will get tired of it.

Men on the autism spectrum are going to have the most significant issues with this.

However, there are men with mediocre to subpar social skills who are neurotypicals. I believe the neurotypicals with weaker social skills outnumber the autists.

Personality matters, but a lot of personality issues can be covered up by a shredded physique or a lot of money.

Now a days even LMS doesn't guarantee that you will get laid because women are so flaky

Women flaking depends on their other options. It also depends on how good looking and how rich the man is.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I'm non-generically Black Pilled, in that I maintain that most, if not all problems aren't solvable, so much as they are reducable to varying degrees. And that many things we moderns label "problems" are really simply matters we(and those who think as we do)disapprove of in some way

 

[Slowhandluke]

As men YOU have flexibility to get what you want.

You can get your money up

You can get your status up

You can get your looks up

You can get better game to compensate for deficiencies

You can generate emotional connection

When I see all these blackpilled men, while looks are definitely useful and does open you doors, I cant help but say "There is something FEMININE about this"

Think about it, for us men Looks might open you doors, but it doesn't let you stay inside the room, I'm all for self improvement, but the greatest lie to our generation is that we can be like women, go to the gym, improve your looks, and "women will come" its doesn't work that way, you must offer more and approach, yet still you have MORE POWER because you have the FREEDOM to get your life in order in all aspects.

Being STATIC and exclusively "focusing on yourself" and hope that women will suddenly jump you is INHERENTLY FEMININE. Women want MEN, not BOYS nor FEMINIZED MEN.

Lets consider, what can a woman do to improve her dating chances? they can only:

1. improve their looks (which inevitably fade with age)

2. improve their attitudes (In general more willing to respect and please their man which includes "acting" feminine)

A lot of men these days are closed off to the FEMALE REALITY of the blackpill, yet they relinquish their potential and advantage that it brings them to be A MAN, the incel movement falls into the trap of blaming everything around them, but it is our responsibility as men to ACT to get what we want.

APPRECIATE being a male, because what life has just offered you is FREEDOM. Freedom comes with responsibility, it is YOUR responsibility to make of yourself the most as you can.

A thing that, while feminism tries to bring to women, either by removing the freedoms of men or improving their own, can never truly bring. Take advantage of your biology and the social constructs of our society that are limited within them. If there are systematic issues, be the one to step forward and attempt a change.

This is way too much thinking. At this point, just get a prostitute and "reset".

Be yourself. Have goals. Flirt. Enjoy life. That is all. Dont over think it.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

Women have a far higher bar for men's looks than vice versa.

 

[Mike32ct]

Women have a far higher bar for men's looks than vice versa.

Men are often overly generous looks appraisers.

If a guy friend tells you “You’re a decent looking guy,” then it’s definitely over lol.

 

[Manure Spherian]

As men YOU have flexibility to get what you want.

You can get your money up

You can get your status up

You can get your looks up

You can get better game to compensate for deficiencies

You can generate emotional connection

When I see all these blackpilled men, while looks are definitely useful and does open you doors, I cant help but say "There is something FEMININE about this"

Think about it, for us men Looks might open you doors, but it doesn't let you stay inside the room, I'm all for self improvement, but the greatest lie to our generation is that we can be like women, go to the gym, improve your looks, and "women will come" its doesn't work that way, you must offer more and approach, yet still you have MORE POWER because you have the FREEDOM to get your life in order in all aspects.

Being STATIC and exclusively "focusing on yourself" and hope that women will suddenly jump you is INHERENTLY FEMININE. Women want MEN, not BOYS nor FEMINIZED MEN.

Lets consider, what can a woman do to improve her dating chances? they can only:

1. improve their looks (which inevitably fade with age)

2. improve their attitudes (In general more willing to respect and please their man which includes "acting" feminine)

A lot of men these days are closed off to the FEMALE REALITY of the blackpill, yet they relinquish their potential and advantage that it brings them to be A MAN, the incel movement falls into the trap of blaming everything around them, but it is our responsibility as men to ACT to get what we want.

APPRECIATE being a male, because what life has just offered you is FREEDOM. Freedom comes with responsibility, it is YOUR responsibility to make of yourself the most as you can.

A thing that, while feminism tries to bring to women, either by removing the freedoms of men or improving their own, can never truly bring. Take advantage of your biology and the social constructs of our society that are limited within them. If there are systematic issues, be the one to step forward and attempt a change.

Why is there such concern for black pillers? This is likely somewhere around the 10th thread I’ve seen stated about them. Are these posts made to exhort such men to improve their lot or to hammer down on them considering at this point, in our gynocentric world, the biggest punching bags are womanless men.

A quarter of homes are fatherless, and of the other father-having homes, in many cases the woman runs the show. I don’t expect assertive, capable men out of such homes considering the social deviances they cause. I’m from such a home and only SERIOUS introspection and self work improved my situation. I’m gonna humble brag here and say many men do not have the ability for such introspection or the intellect to figure out what to do.

 

[Solomon]

This is more of an issue for attractive women under 30. Women in the 30-39 range typically have weaker friend groups. Most unattached women in the 30-39 are friends with other women in LTRs and married. Often, their friend groups are comprised of females with young children at that point. Women 30-39 have friend groups that aren't going to be able to be emotionally involved in the details of her life.

You are right and you are wrong at the same time. I know there is no empirical evidence but I can tell you about one of my plates that this dynamic is currently being played out with

I agree with everything you said and not to nitpick but the mentioned above that I quote, I disagree with It's an issue with women in their 30s and 40s as well. I currently have a plate in her 40s, and she hangs out with her girlfriends all the time(Twice a week). These women are the "Bougie White women" you always talk about; they are either stay-at-home moms (her friends whose husbands have high-paying jobs) or single high-earning women living in nice houses, a town over where I live. Most of them are married, but a couple are single(my plate included). They frequently go out to eat and have "White Lotus night' where they all drink booze and watch the frggin show called White Lotus and talk about each other's love and sex life. I know I have come up in conversations as well(because she has told me) When I first met her, I ghosted her all her friends told he to drop me but she refused because the other guys she had met where boring(her own words not to trying to toot my own horn) Honestly I have treated her "So-SO" and it's not because I'm trying to be gamey it's because I'm not that interested in a relationship and we have that understanding but I know she has that hope that maybe I'll change my mind but being "S0-SO" actually has kept her interest and also in a weird way worked as a form of "Dread Game" (she has caught me in a lie or two when it comes to other women that I was dealing with and basically let it slide)

I will say this most women who are not in social circles that are 30+ you're right this doesn't apply but women who do, care a lot about what their friends think, no matter the age. Social approval and validation with women is paramount(from other women), women do not want to bring a guy around who looks good but may be an awkward loser. They may bang him sure but they will not let him meet her friends if it could compromise their social currency.

I will say this for women are 30s-40s who do not have high-earning jobs or stay at home moms etc. They may not have the luxury to see their friends once or twice a week. I'll agree with that, but if a woman has a robust social circle doesn't matter if they are 40 or 20 they all act the same. It's crazy to see it play out in real time that men in their 40s aren't much different then in their 20s when it comes to behavior.

Why is there such concern for black pillers? This is likely somewhere around the 10th thread I’ve seen stated about them. Are these posts made to exhort such men to improve their lot or to hammer down on them considering at this point, in our gynocentric world, the biggest punching bags are womanless men.

A quarter of homes are fatherless, and of the other father-having homes, in many cases the woman runs the show. I don’t expect assertive, capable men out of such homes considering the social deviances they cause. I’m from such a home and only SERIOUS introspection and self work improved my situation. I’m gonna humble brag here and say many men do not have the ability for such introspection or the intellect to figure out what to do.

^^This is an excellent point I have brought up as well, a lot of young men were/are raised by single mothers and hence the masculinity is lacking. This is why men struggle as well with dating because their mothers brainwashed and raised them to be like simps and when they go out in the real world, they get a harsh wake up call that most men do not respond favorably to simping unless it's your mom.

Over the past several years there has been a trend for men to seek out more feminized beauty routines such as facials, nail manicures, botox, moisturizers, risers in their shoes, etc. Its even been promoted here on this forum.

I've thought that it was so feminine of them. Women are't looking for another woman. They want a man, act accordingly. We've got the greatest population of feminized men that I have ever seen.

This goes with he point @Manure Spherian spoke off a lot of men being raised by single mother, I see moe men paint their nails then ever before. 20 years ago you would have been called a "Flamingo" for doing so, now it's cool. to paint your nails as man. Weird world we live in.

 

[Mike32ct]

I would never recommend that men do overly feminine looksmaxxing like painting nails.

But I do think skin care is very underrated and probably should be mentioned along with hairstyle, gym, etc.

 

[Gamisch]

As men YOU have flexibility to get what you want.

You can get your money up

You can get your status up

You can get your looks up

You can get better game to compensate for deficiencies

You can generate emotional connection

When I see all these blackpilled men, while looks are definitely useful and does open you doors, I cant help but say "There is something FEMININE about this"

Think about it, for us men Looks might open you doors, but it doesn't let you stay inside the room, I'm all for self improvement, but the greatest lie to our generation is that we can be like women, go to the gym, improve your looks, and "women will come" its doesn't work that way, you must offer more and approach, yet still you have MORE POWER because you have the FREEDOM to get your life in order in all aspects.

Being STATIC and exclusively "focusing on yourself" and hope that women will suddenly jump you is INHERENTLY FEMININE. Women want MEN, not BOYS nor FEMINIZED MEN.

Lets consider, what can a woman do to improve her dating chances? they can only:

1. improve their looks (which inevitably fade with age)

2. improve their attitudes (In general more willing to respect and please their man which includes "acting" feminine)

A lot of men these days are closed off to the FEMALE REALITY of the blackpill, yet they relinquish their potential and advantage that it brings them to be A MAN, the incel movement falls into the trap of blaming everything around them, but it is our responsibility as men to ACT to get what we want.

APPRECIATE being a male, because what life has just offered you is FREEDOM. Freedom comes with responsibility, it is YOUR responsibility to make of yourself the most as you can.

A thing that, while feminism tries to bring to women, either by removing the freedoms of men or improving their own, can never truly bring. Take advantage of your biology and the social constructs of our society that are limited within them. If there are systematic issues, be the one to step forward and attempt a change.

Because the game of love ( seemingly) is sick / has a flu. Men want solutions, and obviously women both create and enforce these issues.

On a INDIVIDUAL level many men ( including yours truly) keep hearing that looks are what matter most.

I know within 10 seconds if a man is my type" .

So one solution is to become " that " type of man. It's the most catchable/ easy to understand solution.

Yes we all know, hear and see "that average man " walking hand in hand with a somewhat decent woman. That's..confusing to a lotta men: why can HE have a beerbelly/ be balding/ be short/ be broke/ be ethnic/ be white/ be skinny ect ...if I can't? This question alone is literally worth billion of dollars if we look at the amount of money flowing into the manosphere through coaching ( calls) ,views, seminars and bootcamps ect.

ARGUABLY a man spending " too much time" I'm the gym is overly spending time on his looks. Simultaneously the gym might actually strengthen him to perform better in his day to day life. Is the latter cope? Or simply motivation on a individual level? You tell me..

 

[Gamisch]

Why is there such concern for black pillers? This is likely somewhere around the 10th thread I’ve seen stated about them. Are these posts made to exhort such men to improve their lot or to hammer down on them considering at this point, in our gynocentric world, the biggest punching bags are womanless men.

A quarter of homes are fatherless, and of the other father-having homes, in many cases the woman runs the show. I don’t expect assertive, capable men out of such homes considering the social deviances they cause. I’m from such a home and only SERIOUS introspection and self work improved my situation. I’m gonna humble brag here and say many men do not have the ability for such introspection or the intellect to figure out what to do.

Because every " redpiller" is one or two dryspells away from being blackpilled. I'd even sa y that you can't be redpill without being blackpilled.

But a blackpliiler with a woman/ women on his side can at least identify as redpill. Specifically because blackpill characteristics cause dread-game and thus work better in KEEPING certain women than bluepill idealogy would.

So the biggest fear for most men is to actually become what they fear most wondering whether they were just that all along: a blackpilled man who's distrustful towards women. The answer is yes . You SAY you " became redpill" but if we're being honest;

- that girl that cheated on you
-that girl that rejected you
- friend zoned you
- you slvtty mother/ aunt/ sister ect
- the woman who cheated on her bf with you

Ect ect ect ALL of those things made you blackpill rather than redpill...

 

[plumber]

lots of good advice on this. each post has some truths in it. Actually black pill isn't wrong, but getting stuck on it is wrong. Men are on display to attract women is the basis, then women choose. Probably some truth in that.

Lots of pills, I like white pill the best; take a look.

Anyway as long as we have the issue in our mind that we have an issue we will have it. We can try in good faith to shame men into correct thinking and we can tell them what that thinking should be. When they can't do it, we tell them that they are lazy or defective or any other things that doesn't help. Lazy can be fixed, but usually is not fixed by shame; well maybe sometimes.

When your mind is clear, its all going to just work. Most men have never been clear, only a few extream athletes, monks, and a few others that have massively trained something. Clear means your mind and body is getting it together and you feel good. Everything becomes just a decision, not a challenge.

Probably the worst advice comes from a natural clear man. Probably less than 1% of men just have this as a gift from birth. And for them its just how it is and they can not understand that others are in some fog.

It can be adjusted and most men can achieve it with some work. The foundation of the mind, is the body. The mind can only function as well as the stuff around it allows. Get that fixed and the other issues about women, men, work, everything will progress in good ways.

I don't mean go talk about it, I mean make sure your mind is mechanically working likes it is designed to. Its like an old style engine that needs to be kept in tune.

 

[SW15]

I disagree with It's an issue with women in their 30s and 40s as well. I currently have a plate in her 40s, and she hangs out with her girlfriends all the time(Twice a week). These women are the "Bougie White women" you always talk about; they are either stay-at-home moms (her friends whose husbands have high-paying jobs) or single high-earning women living in nice houses, a town over where I live. Most of them are married, but a couple are single(my plate included). They frequently go out to eat and have "White Lotus night' where they all drink booze and watch the frggin show called White Lotus and talk about each other's love and sex life.

It can go either way with women 30+ and their relationships with their friends.

I can envision what you describe above as a reality that can happen if a 30+ woman happens to stay reasonably close with her friends.

I don't see it happening as much as what's in the quote below. "Bougie White women" can be close with the friends or they can be the only unmarried woman amongst multiple married women who mainly have younger children at home.

I think it's uncommon for a 30+ unmarried/unattached woman to have a group of friends in the same life stage as her.

I will say this most women who are not in social circles that are 30+ you're right this doesn't apply but women who do, care a lot about what their friends think, no matter the age. Social approval and validation with women is paramount(from other women), women do not want to bring a guy around who looks good but may be an awkward loser. They may bang him sure but they will not let him meet her friends if it could compromise their social currency.

I will say this for women are 30s-40s who do not have high-earning jobs or stay at home moms etc. They may not have the luxury to see their friends once or twice a week. I'll agree with that, but if a woman has a robust social circle doesn't matter if they are 40 or 20 they all act the same. It's crazy to see it play out in real time that men in their 40s aren't much different then in their 20s when it comes to behavior.

More of the 30s-40s women I've interacted with are women who are less close with their friends. Their friends don't have time to see them because of childcare stuff. Relationships are mainly conducted via text message, social media DM, and the occasional phone call.

I've seen this trend with both moderate and higher earning women.

My interactions are with childless women.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

I agree with @Manure Spherian to a large degree, especially about the parenting culture affecting young men. My son is a "real man" in every sense of the word.

And his father & I were divorced, after a backwards arrangement (wife as breadwinner, husband as house spouse) compared to traditional gender roles.

One of the key reasons I divorced my first husband was I didn't like being the enabler of his ongoing depression & laziness, but even more than that I was seriously concerned about the relationship template our children were seeing/learning/absorbing.

Because of the relationship template concern, I got my son around my father and one of my brother in laws as much as possible, and I enrolled my son in an all boys military preparatory school. My ex husband is a loving father whose own father was a solid "real man" but he died tragically when my first husband was 12, and he was raised himself by a single widow who had great morals & character, but who didn't require discipline, achievement or the like because she pitied her fatherless son. Pity by the parent equates to self pity in the child. Not Good.

Knowing all that I put my son in the best environment I could where he could learn manhood from "real men", and I also knew I am not a man myself and there are certain things he needed to learn from masculine men. He also chose a kind nurturing woman for a wife, a woman much like his widowed grandmother.

My daughters have struggled a bit. They are insightful kind people with character, but have a more androgynous vibe than I like. The older one is embracing her feminine energy more in her early 20s, but its been interesting because I've historically had to assume roles that are typically associated with masculine energy over the years to acquire wealth and assure the family is taken care of.

This is deeply subconscious programming. Children are very affected by the parental dynamic.

As to black pill? Women are not limited (at least in the west), and can get educated and cultivate intelligence and achievement just as men can. More women now are enrolled in higher education in the US now than men.

So its not all about looks and attitude for women. Lots of men like these "strong women". But often these men underestimate them and end up in a weak position in relationship.

So I'd say men are more giving up and this requires women to step up, which further complicates and continues this backward dynamic.

Men have to be men. That means seeking, hunting, initiating. I cringe when I see all the posts around here for example expecting women to chase, initiate and overtly make her interest known. OMG. Wrong dynamic!

Never expect women who chase you to suddenly relinguish the masculine hunter energy and become feminine & demure. That is NOT the dynamic you pre-selected!!

 

[BadBoy89]

Take advantage of your biology and the social constructs of our society that are limited within them. If there are systematic issues, be the one to step forward and attempt a change.

Love people who tell layman on Sosuave to change the world. They don’t tell the rich, the famous, the well connected, the athletes, the actors, the bankers, the men who get all the women.

They tell the men who are working to make a living, trying to buy a house or an apartment, and are on Sosuave because they are a little confused about how young women act, No no, you guys are responsible for changing the world.

Rock on!

 

[SW15]

I was seriously concerned about the relationship template our children were seeing/learning/absorbing.

This is deeply subconscious programming. Children are very affected by the parental dynamic.

My parents had an awful dynamic and a toxic dynamic. I learned nothing positive about intersexual dynamics from observing my parents' marriage.

My mom showed 0 concern about the relationship template.

She was the primary parental figure and tried to mold me as a beta male nice guy. I learned quickly that was bad news in the sexual marketplace. That's when I started to read online and re-structure everything.

I chose the red pill. I chose to see things for how they were, not based on some idealized concept of reality.

To me, the black pill (the subject of this thread) is a more pessimistic version of the red pill.