Black Folder: Dad and DNA tests

[Pook]

Article: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2005/06/27/whos_dad_ask_the_dna/

Commentary:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2005/07/end-of-adulterous-gravy-train.html

http://bulletproofpimp.blogspot.com/2005/07/wearing-nose-ring.html

 

[MindOverMatter]

The end of the adulterous gravy train

All I can say is, it's about time.

 

[Interpol]

The proliferation of these tests is worrisome to Nina Selvaggio, president of the National Organization for Women's Massachusetts chapter. Not because she thinks they shouldn't be available, she says, but because ''it's perpetuating a culture that says there's a way to get out of being responsible."

No, it's helping to make sure that the guy being held responsible was actually responsible for the child.

 

[thecraftylefty]

"I have 100% faith that I won't get into a car accident tomorrow. And yet, I have insurance."

That quote stuck out to me. I know it's mandatory to have car insurance if you drive, but if you actually think about it, the reasoning for it is true.

Same thing in this debate. The only arguments against testing at birth would have to be the

1) women who are faithful and feel no need for it because they actually are faithful

2) women on the "adultrous gravy train."

Hmmmmmmmm.

From reading some of the horror stories in those posts I can safely say that I would be rightly pissed off too if I had to pay for a child I didn't bring into this world. Where's the justice in the judicial system?


thecraftylefty

 

[Luveno]

Every man should opt for a paternity test.


In the hospital in my city, many couples come in trying to find out if their child is homozygous for the recessive form of a genetic disease: for instance cystic fibrosis.

About 20% of the time, the tests show non-paternity. However, due to ethical masturbation, we can't tell the father that it is not his kid, for that is giving away the mother's private information. Personally I think it's crap, but those are the breaks.

So, to all you soon-to-be-fathers out there, I suggest you opt for parternity testing specifically. You have to get the mother's permission to do so as well if its still a fetus, which sucks.

That is why I'm never getting married nor having kids.
There are sperm banks. I will donate my DNA to them and spread my seed that way-without the obligation.

 

[spider_007]

Originally posted by Luveno
I will donate my DNA to them and spread my seed that way-without the obligation.

COWARD

An abligation of a man is to be a FATHER some day, and raise a MENTALY helthy child (not an orphin). Part of the responsability of a man/father is to take care of the family, including his woman and his child. I do how ever agree that every child should be tested to make sure who the father is. We live in an age where "we all sleep around". Men and woman. NO BODY (WOMAN OR MEN) can be trused in this situation because there IS A LOT riding on the results. The entire lives of pepole involved can be changed ON ONE DECISION (of a scared emotional woman). If I ever found out I had a son somewhere, I WOULD take the resonsability, and I WOULD be a good father no metter what.

 

[Jvesti]

yup its messed, this truly takes human evolution to a new place now.

An effective survival strategy used to be **** the quarterback marry the stable wimp. With the prevalence of cheap easy DNA testing that's out the window. The deception is killed. Women will now have to impress guys to some degree (Mr. Stable Mcnice guy) and KEEP him since now he's not liable to pay for her kids.

These are the possible outcomes of well marketed DNA testing

- Women that sleep around will either have to step up their deception game. There will always be guys ready to take on women with kids in relationships. But a percentage of guys DUPED is forever gone. (AND THAT IS POTENTIALLY 20% of the human population MAX)

- The prevalance of single mom's will increase until they get an attitude adjustment to get a guy to be a father figure to their kids.

- Women might just be more careful who they sleep with. Which again is a victory against *****dom.

Although i can see exactly what the marxist feminist pig is up to. Can't have a communist system if men aren't responsible for all children instead of that created by their own action and behavior. Then there's also the aspect that this puts an advantage back to men.

It's an ignored fact of society that 1 out 5 people are incorrect of their biological father. AND this permeates every culture and every society. It is human nature and hardwired for the woman to secure the best genes and the best providing.

In fact look at this thread, i bet out of the people who have posted one of you aren't correct about your biological father. (I know its not me, i look a spitting image of my father)

What do you believe is the societal change of easy and accessable DNA testing AND because of this a societal consciousness that 20% of the time you'll find out you aren't the father?

 

[Jvesti]

This site claims 16% paternity fraud and its a gov't site.
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Paternity_Fraud.htm

Why isn't there laws against this. For a woman to lead on a man in something so huge.

What if I made a contract with you to buy my car but secretly let my buddy have ownership rights of the car. Or rolled the odometer back on ya. I'd be gettin hit by the law.

Rape is somewhat human nature and its on the outskirts. We have laws to prevent it and keep rapists locked away. Why aren't women who commit this kind of behavior punished for this?

 

[Luveno]

Originally posted by spider_007
COWARD

An abligation of a man is to be a FATHER some day, and raise a MENTALY helthy child (not an orphin). Part of the responsability of a man/father is to take care of the family, including his woman and his child. I do how ever agree that every child should be tested to make sure who the father is. We live in an age where "we all sleep around". Men and woman. NO BODY (WOMAN OR MEN) can be trused in this situation because there IS A LOT riding on the results. The entire lives of pepole involved can be changed ON ONE DECISION (of a scared emotional woman). If I ever found out I had a son somewhere, I WOULD take the resonsability, and I WOULD be a good father no metter what.

However, on the other side of the coin, if you found out that your "son" wasn't yours, what would you do then? What if it was 3 years later? 5? Would you feel like you wasted your time because you were raising someone elses kid?

No. You'd love your kid, even though he isn't related to you at all. However, what this brings into it is the hell of a divorce. I'm lucky; my parents divorced before I was self-aware. Most kids don't have that privilege.

I'm going to bypass all that drama by being a father in only the biological sense. It is a choice and does not make me a coward. Just because the fruit of my DNA isn't directly raised by me does not mean that he or she will be mentally unstable. Heck, maybe if I raised them they'd be worse off. There are too many variables there to make that generalization. I suggest you shut up now.

The rules have changed. This is not the all-american 50s anymore with the "nuclear family". Welcome to Babylon. I'm going to look out for my own interests first in this world.

Also, learn how to spell. It will save you future embarrassment from someone who counts, like your boss.

 

[dietzcoi]

Yes this is the biggest "non-story" of humankind... it is absolutely disgracefull that so many women get a man to be the father of thier child, when he is not.

Man I will love it when these women get "caught" by the DNA test. It would be great to watch them squirm and realize the gravy train is over with!!

Damn, it should be a reality TV show!!

Dietzcoi

 

[Giovanni Casanova]

Originally posted by dietzcoi
Damn, it should be a reality TV show!!

It is. It's called "Springer" or "Maury".

 

[spider_007]

Originally posted by Luveno
However, on the other side of the coin, if you found out that your "son" wasn't yours, what would you do then? What if it was 3 years later? 5? Would you feel like you wasted your time because you were raising someone elses kid?
No. You'd love your kid, even though he isn't related to you at all. However, what this brings into it is the hell of a divorce. I'm lucky; my parents divorced before I was self-aware. Most kids don't have that privilege.

what's your point (feel free to call me slow, but i don't see it)?

Originally posted by Luveno
I'm going to bypass all that drama by being a father in only the biological sense. It is a choice and does not make me a coward.

this might be just MY point of view but yes you are. You are gona let some poor woman try and raise your son by her self, just so that your not inconvenianced. I was raised by a single mother, I know haw though it was for her. If you are not gona be a man, and take your responsability as a father, then you shouldn't be alowed to have kids.

Originally posted by Luveno The rules have changed. This is not the all-american 50s anymore with the "nuclear family". Welcome to Babylon. I'm going to look out for my own interests first in this world.[/B]

yes the rules have changed. I agree. But if you do run into that rare breed of quality women, I hope your not too blined by the ignorance and are able to recognize happyness

Originally posted by Luveno Also, learn how to spell. It will save you future embarrassment from someone who counts, like your boss. [/B]

Well considering that this is internat and that there are many nationalies on there, from meny different countries, and some of who speak more then one or two languages, i'd say im doing puirty damn good. As for my boss, he is a fvckin engineer, and he isn't much better at it then me. (i'll excuse your ignorance for now)

 

[Luveno]

this might be just MY point of view but yes you are. You are gona let some poor woman try and raise your son by her self, just so that your not inconvenianced. I was raised by a single mother, I know haw though it was for her. If you are not gona be a man, and take your responsability as a father, then you shouldn't be alowed to have kids.

Hello spider.

I was also raised by a single mother, and totally respect the hard work and effort she put into raising myself and my siblings. She is my inspiration, and I owe her my life.

However, tell me where sperm donation equates to forcing single mothers to raise children by themselves?

Sperm donation is utilized to a great extent by couples who cannot biologically have children. It makes for a great alternative for someone who wants to have children to be finally able to do so.

I do not see how that makes me cowardly, nor how that makes other peoples lives more difficult.

I would even go as far as saying that couples who undergo artificial insemination and have a "test tube baby" would be more likely to stay together because the couple knew when it was ready to have children. It wasn't an accident, like so many births.

 

[penkitten]

the at home tests are accurate .
they are not too expensive.

shouldnt everyone that isnt sure take these before they sign forms saying they are the father?