Biggest difference I have noticed gaming in the US vs. Europe.

[Jesse Pinkman]

This year, I took trips for over a week long in both Prague and Budapest along with going to Stockholm for a week last year. I mainly Gamed Western Europeans, especially in Prague and Budapest which are both extremely tourist heavy so local women are not that common to run into. So this is more about gaming American vs. Western European women. However, I talked to other American guys who are in cities such as London and Paris and here is a takeaway I am finding that seems to resonate with all of us.

In Western Europe or when gaming Western European women, be prepared to deal with male disruption on a whole new level.

For example, whether I was in Budapest, Prague, or even Stockholm, I noticed more and more guys trying to break into my interactions. In Miami and even NYC, this rarely happens. I notice that American guys will let you run your Game and only approach if the girl is not interested in you or if you have left the interaction. Meanwhile, European guys will swarm right in when the interaction is goin well.

The thing is, when they did that, I either pulled regardless or it was a net zero where neither of us pulled. I just overall notice in Europe, guys are always scanning the venues.

However, the city I have heard this being the worst in from friends is by far, Paris. Three of my friends regularly Game there and they are Americans. Given that they are American, they are a hit with local women. Here is some of what they have shared with me:

• About to pull a girl back from a bar and three guys who do not even know the girl follow them on the street to even block their way
• Pull a girl back from the bar and 2 guys near them at the bar follow them out and keep borderline harassing them
• Bartender takes forever to get the check and even flirts with the date
• Waiter flirts with the date aggressively and is trying to get her number
• Guys constantly interrupting a date and trying to flirt with the girl when they are out

Personally, I have found that when guys do this, if you pull it off right you can pull. I did this in Budapest and in Prague this year. If you hold frame, her interest in you goes even higher.

I am just wondering why Western European men do this so much.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Because they're pussies, all of the macho western european dudes moved to the US or got killed off in war.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I am just wondering why Western European men do this so much.

Thirst

A lot of them will be from tiny towns where attractive women are like gold dust , they go to get jobs in the mainlands or bigger cities and go crazy with lust

Similar story with Turkish and Middle Eastern men , their own women are often highly restrained so when they come across promiscuous looking western women wearing next to nothing they are like dogs on heat

I've met a lot of weird men from Europe in my time even Italian and French guys can be really fvcking weird & obsessive with women

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Thirst

A lot of them will be from tiny towns where attractive women are like gold dust , they go to get jobs in the mainlands or bigger cities and go crazy with lust

Similar story with Turkish and Middle Eastern men , their own women are often highly restrained so when they come across promiscuous looking western women wearing next to nothing they are like dogs on heat

I've met a lot of weird men from Europe in my time even Italian and French guys can be really fvcking weird & obsessive with women

From my personal experience in Europe, having gone and stayed for a bit in a few cities a number of times, here is what I have found.

1. French guys are the biggest leeches by far. Not sure what it is but I have noticed this behavior from them everywhere. Be it here in the US or even in Montreal. When my friends shared their experiences in Paris, I had no doubts from my own experiences. If I did not have those experiences, I would have thought my friends were making stuff up.

After hearing what I have heard about Frenchmen, I finally understand why they are so despised worldwide. I used to think it was just some strange little meme but even the ones I have met in the Game community are downright deceitful and envious. Thing is I used to love the French growing up and read the literature but after interacting with more than my fair share, the guys deserve all the hate they seem to get worldwide. Never met any group of guys more spiteful and hellbent on ruining someone else's time.

2. British guys are insufferable when you run into them outside of the UK too. Not as bad as the French but pretty bad. They seem to be envious of anyone trying their luck with cold approach and try to get all preachy about it. Some who get drunk, the Irish are in this too, have no respect for personal boundaries. Will intrude on your personal space and try to pick fights with you if drunk enough. However, still not as bad as the French.

Thing is I find that with the British men I have run into abroad, they can get envious and preachy but once you call them out with that blank stare and go "yeah and", they tend to usually leave you alone or some come back around and feel bad about it. I've had a couple straight up ask me "so, how do you talk to girls?".

3. Arab migrant guys suck a lot too but depends on the country they are from. The worst ones are from....you guessed it, France. Unlike their White counterparts, these dudes are trashy and a bunch of straight up leeches. Will start fights, try to get aggressive, and ruin sets. However, I have had bad run ins with Halal restaurant owners.

At Szimpla in Budapest, there is a Halal place right across the street. The workers there at night throw fries at dudes cold approaching women. One of my friends took a girl home and this Arab midget was chasing him and the girl trying to ruin the date.

4. Swedish guys are weird and of the jealous kind too but far more subtle about it. They seem to wear a fake mask a lot and put on an act frequently. You never know where you stand with them. Seems to be the case with Scandinavian guys I have met in general, initially nice to your face but always having some sort of an angle.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Brits are well known to be terribly behaved abroad especially in places like Ibiza and other party islands , but at home I don't think I can recall many times where another british guy has tried too interrupt me with a woman.

it would be seen as very weird in our culture and most British chicks wouldn't be keen on random interlopers.

Both French men and women are notoriously ignorant I can't argue with any of that lol

 

[BaronOfHair]

Meanwhile, European guys will swarm right in when the interaction is goin well

Fellas over there poisoning themselves with a few 1,000,000 hrs worth of Konstantin Kissin(himself a Russian immigrant)hyperventilating over the alleged dangers of foreigners running off with all the local women have left them a wee bit over-vigiliant

The dozen or so who made up that grooming gang in Birmingham soiled dating and mating in Europe, worse than Etan Patz's kidnappers did "free range parenting" throughout North America

 

[Vanderdonck]

Male disruption is a fact of life everywhere. You just gotta deal with it sometimes, all part of the game. On a side note the black women in Paris were the hottest I've seen, they really know how to look good.

 

[sickofit]

This year, I took trips for over a week long in both Prague and Budapest along with going to Stockholm for a week last year. I mainly Gamed Western Europeans, especially in Prague and Budapest which are both extremely tourist heavy so local women are not that common to run into. So this is more about gaming American vs. Western European women. However, I talked to other American guys who are in cities such as London and Paris and here is a takeaway I am finding that seems to resonate with all of us.

In Western Europe or when gaming Western European women, be prepared to deal with male disruption on a whole new level.

For example, whether I was in Budapest, Prague, or even Stockholm, I noticed more and more guys trying to break into my interactions. In Miami and even NYC, this rarely happens. I notice that American guys will let you run your Game and only approach if the girl is not interested in you or if you have left the interaction. Meanwhile, European guys will swarm right in when the interaction is goin well.

The thing is, when they did that, I either pulled regardless or it was a net zero where neither of us pulled. I just overall notice in Europe, guys are always scanning the venues.

However, the city I have heard this being the worst in from friends is by far, Paris. Three of my friends regularly Game there and they are Americans. Given that they are American, they are a hit with local women. Here is some of what they have shared with me:

• About to pull a girl back from a bar and three guys who do not even know the girl follow them on the street to even block their way
• Pull a girl back from the bar and 2 guys near them at the bar follow them out and keep borderline harassing them
• Bartender takes forever to get the check and even flirts with the date
• Waiter flirts with the date aggressively and is trying to get her number
• Guys constantly interrupting a date and trying to flirt with the girl when they are out

Personally, I have found that when guys do this, if you pull it off right you can pull. I did this in Budapest and in Prague this year. If you hold frame, her interest in you goes even higher.

I am just wondering why Western European men do this so much.

Honestly, Western European women are about last on my list. I spent time in Eastern Europe a few years ago and found them to be overrated as well. South America remains my favorite destination for game, specifically outside of the tourist zones. Also a lot of potential for game in countries that are not considered typical destinations. Much friendlier women, less full of themselves and less likely to “test you” with a bunch of garbage. Southeast Asia I think is overrated and overplayed.

 

[sickofit]

From my personal experience in Europe, having gone and stayed for a bit in a few cities a number of times, here is what I have found.

1. French guys are the biggest leeches by far. Not sure what it is but I have noticed this behavior from them everywhere. Be it here in the US or even in Montreal. When my friends shared their experiences in Paris, I had no doubts from my own experiences. If I did not have those experiences, I would have thought my friends were making stuff up.

After hearing what I have heard about Frenchmen, I finally understand why they are so despised worldwide. I used to think it was just some strange little meme but even the ones I have met in the Game community are downright deceitful and envious. Thing is I used to love the French growing up and read the literature but after interacting with more than my fair share, the guys deserve all the hate they seem to get worldwide. Never met any group of guys more spiteful and hellbent on ruining someone else's time.

2. British guys are insufferable when you run into them outside of the UK too. Not as bad as the French but pretty bad. They seem to be envious of anyone trying their luck with cold approach and try to get all preachy about it. Some who get drunk, the Irish are in this too, have no respect for personal boundaries. Will intrude on your personal space and try to pick fights with you if drunk enough. However, still not as bad as the French.

Thing is I find that with the British men I have run into abroad, they can get envious and preachy but once you call them out with that blank stare and go "yeah and", they tend to usually leave you alone or some come back around and feel bad about it. I've had a couple straight up ask me "so, how do you talk to girls?".

3. Arab migrant guys suck a lot too but depends on the country they are from. The worst ones are from....you guessed it, France. Unlike their White counterparts, these dudes are trashy and a bunch of straight up leeches. Will start fights, try to get aggressive, and ruin sets. However, I have had bad run ins with Halal restaurant owners.

At Szimpla in Budapest, there is a Halal place right across the street. The workers there at night throw fries at dudes cold approaching women. One of my friends took a girl home and this Arab midget was chasing him and the girl trying to ruin the date.

4. Swedish guys are weird and of the jealous kind too but far more subtle about it. They seem to wear a fake mask a lot and put on an act frequently. You never know where you stand with them. Seems to be the case with Scandinavian guys I have met in general, initially nice to your face but always having some sort of an angle.

I have met a few cool guys from France while traveling. But every French woman I have met has been horrendous beyond belief. I actually can’t think of a worse type of person than them

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I have met a few cool guys from France while traveling. But every French woman I have met has been horrendous beyond belief. I actually can’t think of a worse type of person than them

What has been so horrendous about them?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Brits are well known to be terribly behaved abroad especially in places like Ibiza and other party islands , but at home I don't think I can recall many times where another british guy has tried too interrupt me with a woman.

it would be seen as very weird in our culture and most British chicks wouldn't be keen on random interlopers.

Both French men and women are notoriously ignorant I can't argue with any of that lol

See this is my thought too which is why I do want to come to Game in London. In Prague and Budapest, I have only run into trashier British men and rude British women. My thoughts are that given that these cities are cheaper due to currency conversions, only the trashier Brits make it through. I have heard that in Manchester, Liverpool, and even London, you will find far more approachable British girls and the guys won't be nearly as trashy and rude.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Male disruption is a fact of life everywhere. You just gotta deal with it sometimes, all part of the game. On a side note the black women in Paris were the hottest I've seen, they really know how to look good.

I have been longing to go to Paris for Game myself to see what it is like. Could be on my list for next year. From what my American friends say, the women will sleep with you but the men will hate you. Seems kind of hypocritical given that French guys creep on every and any kind of woman they can find but turn into mateguarding as soon as anyone goes after a French girl. From real life, I have witnessed it myself. French men tend to be some of the biggest ****blocks.

The worst to deal with are French Arab guys. Ghetto thug behavior and even the very few that make it out of poverty carry that scumbag and trashy behavior with them. We end up with too many Frenchies in general here in South Florida unfortunately.

 

[sickofit]

What has been so horrendous about them?

Very arrogant, unfriendly, looking at Americans as stupid and classless. I had several arguments with them, always felt looked down upon by them

 

[Bigpapa]

This year, I took trips for over a week long in both Prague and Budapest along with going to Stockholm for a week last year. I mainly Gamed Western Europeans, especially in Prague and Budapest which are both extremely tourist heavy so local women are not that common to run into. So this is more about gaming American vs. Western European women. However, I talked to other American guys who are in cities such as London and Paris and here is a takeaway I am finding that seems to resonate with all of us.

In Western Europe or when gaming Western European women, be prepared to deal with male disruption on a whole new level.

For example, whether I was in Budapest, Prague, or even Stockholm, I noticed more and more guys trying to break into my interactions. In Miami and even NYC, this rarely happens. I notice that American guys will let you run your Game and only approach if the girl is not interested in you or if you have left the interaction. Meanwhile, European guys will swarm right in when the interaction is goin well.

The thing is, when they did that, I either pulled regardless or it was a net zero where neither of us pulled. I just overall notice in Europe, guys are always scanning the venues.

However, the city I have heard this being the worst in from friends is by far, Paris. Three of my friends regularly Game there and they are Americans. Given that they are American, they are a hit with local women. Here is some of what they have shared with me:

• About to pull a girl back from a bar and three guys who do not even know the girl follow them on the street to even block their way
• Pull a girl back from the bar and 2 guys near them at the bar follow them out and keep borderline harassing them
• Bartender takes forever to get the check and even flirts with the date
• Waiter flirts with the date aggressively and is trying to get her number
• Guys constantly interrupting a date and trying to flirt with the girl when they are out

Personally, I have found that when guys do this, if you pull it off right you can pull. I did this in Budapest and in Prague this year. If you hold frame, her interest in you goes even higher.

I am just wondering why Western European men do this so much.

This not my experience In Europe, not even in countries like Morocco, Tunisia, turkey or Lebanon ( from where most of the Muslim immigrants come )

sure, from time to time you might find some idiots but that is expected like anywhere

have no idea what you are doing, but for sure you are doing something wrong

maybe going to the wrong / dodgy places? City centers are usually a sh1t show

 

[Bokanovsky]

See this is my thought too which is why I do want to come to Game in London. In Prague and Budapest, I have only run into trashier British men and rude British women.

Well, at least you've run into British men and women in Budapest. You'd have a hard time accomplishing the same feat in London these days

 

[Vanderdonck]

I have been longing to go to Paris for Game myself to see what it is like. Could be on my list for next year. From what my American friends say, the women will sleep with you but the men will hate you. Seems kind of hypocritical given that French guys creep on every and any kind of woman they can find but turn into mateguarding as soon as anyone goes after a French girl. From real life, I have witnessed it myself. French men tend to be some of the biggest ****blocks.

The worst to deal with are French Arab guys. Ghetto thug behavior and even the very few that make it out of poverty carry that scumbag and trashy behavior with them. We end up with too many Frenchies in general here in South Florida unfortunately.

All that may be true. TBH I went to Paris to enjoy Paris. It's a beautiful city and I've never had a problem with rudeness in France, that's just a Hollywood trope. Obviously there are a**holes everywhere and the men can be very flirtatious with women, it's true. But anyway if I go somewhere just to game, it's bound to be a disappointment even if it's the local cafe and especially an intercontinental trip. My easiest lays are when I'm simply enjoying myself. If anyone goes somewhere expecting a bad experience they will find it, trust me. All about the value and vibe I carry with me.

 

[Bigpapa]

But anyway if I go somewhere just to game, it's bound to be a disappointment even if it's the local cafe and especially an intercontinental trip. My easiest lays are when I'm simply enjoying myself. If anyone goes somewhere expecting a bad experience they will find it, trust me. All about the value and vibe I carry with me.

No one goes traveling with the objective to get laid, if you travel to places just to get laid you will be in minority not in majority

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I think enjoying the city is one thing but getting to enjoy its Game culture and Game there is also quite exciting. I am fortunate enough that over the years, I made a number of quality friends in the Game community. These guys come to Miami to enjoy Miami and I help them do that but we also get to Game, two birds with one stone over here. In exchange, they help me enjoy their cities and do Game there too. Completely doable if you are there for a week.

Mind you, you also learn that over the years, different cities have a different vibe. I have found that.

In American cities, dudes are chill and don't mess with your Game.

Montreal has a hectic and low-key violent nightlife full of frustrated dudes.

In Europe, dudes will go out of their way to ruin your interactions.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

All that may be true. TBH I went to Paris to enjoy Paris. It's a beautiful city and I've never had a problem with rudeness in France, that's just a Hollywood trope. Obviously there are a**holes everywhere and the men can be very flirtatious with women, it's true. But anyway if I go somewhere just to game, it's bound to be a disappointment even if it's the local cafe and especially an intercontinental trip. My easiest lays are when I'm simply enjoying myself. If anyone goes somewhere expecting a bad experience they will find it, trust me. All about the value and vibe I carry with me.

Your opinion is in the minority. I have met many people who have gone to Paris, even with low expectations, and their experiences have been awful. The women who have gone there have said they have been harassed more there than anywhere else in Europe. The guys I know that live there say that the vibe is just awful.

Granted, my American friends do say that French women are rather easy and they enjoy an elevated status for being Americans. However, they say it comes with its setbacks. French men will resort to confrontations to ruin the vibe. The White ones will be passive aggressive and underhanded. The Arab ones will be outright violent and even jump you if they can. Lets just say that it does not sit well with Frenchmen when they see French women hooking up with American, Canadian, Aussie, and non-Euro men in general.

Kind of hypocritical given how much they go across the globe harassing women themselves.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I’m in Portugal right now, and I definitely prefer athe female vibe here compared to other European countries. I’m seeing beautiful women of all colors with real natural bodies, not the super skinny flat look, and they’re not smoking cigarettes or looking like they party all night twice a week. Plus, I’m getting IOIs here