"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Bi-sexual women hooking up with each other and "GAME"

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I was watching a little bit of that reality show on MTV called "A Shot at Love"(which by the way is, as I'm sure you could guess, so matrix/AFC infested) or something like that, where 16 straight guys and 16 lesbian women are competing for a bi-sexual female, and the female has to choose whether she'd rather be with a man or a woman.

Anyway, it got me thinking about something that I never paid attention to. It's apparent when women hook up with other women, neither woman has to have "good game". But when it comes to men, women require that we have good game, or else no p*ssy. A little lost on this one. Any thoughts as to why women work this way with other women, but with us they're completely different? I mean it make's sense to say the things that attract a woman to a man sexually should also apply to a woman who's attracted to another woman, but apparently it's not like that.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I think the answer lies in that fact that women don't need game to attract a man. Therefore, by de riquer (however you spell that) women are higher value than men, so women don't need game relative to men to attract another woman.
 

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edger said:
It's apparent when women hook up with other women, neither woman has to have "good game".
How did you work this out? From a "reality" show on your television? :eek:

Poonani Maker: get to know some lesbians, some bi women, or even just some women. you have no idea what you're talking about.
 

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mintxx said:
How did you work this out? From a "reality" show on your television? :eek:
Yo, you don't watch them?..that's one of my main reliable source's.




mintxx said:
How did you work this out? From a "reality" show on your television? :eek:
Try observation.
 
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MTV = The Hor 'Homo Matrix!! Get to a hardline and get out now!!!
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Women want what women want. BI, straight or gay.

That's how it is.

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Women want what women want. BI, straight or gay.

That's how it is.

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Replace the word "women" with "Hors" and your statement will be correct -- otherwise it does not compute!!!
 

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Mintx, let me clarify myself better..reason I made this post was because when I seen the show, I thought to myself how women don't need game to hook up with other women based on what I've observed in life. It had nothing to do with what the show portrayed.

And to all who have responded so far, not one of you have yet addressed the question.
 

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edger said:
And to all who have responded so far, not one of you have yet addressed the question.
I addressed your question and gave my answer. What are you talking about?
 
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ketostix said:
I think the answer lies in that fact that women don't need game to attract a man. Therefore, by de riquer (however you spell that) women are higher value than men, so women don't need game relative to men to attract another woman.
This is a Matrix answer and thus invalid!! You are taking the unreal for real and thus are thwarted away from reality!!
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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This is a Matrix answer and thus invalid!! You are taking the unreal for real and thus are thwarted away from reality!!
LoL No I'm taking reality for real. The matrix says women are the poor and disadvantaged ones oppressed by men.
 

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Man I caught a bit of that show last night.

All I could think about is how it portrays us guys as competing, fighting, and BEGGING (against men and women) for the attention of ONE woman.

The Pus sification of America continues!

But that is good news for us! Women see shows like this and think that's how all guys are (most guys are like that but that's beside the point). So when a woman goes into the real world and expects men to be supplicating and ass kissing, she'll be blown away when she comes across us DJ's. :rockon:
 

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Women are curious about their power and sexuality. Since childhood women have been oobserving themselves and developing skills of interaction and seduction, flirting etc. In their teens, their sexual side really comes out and they spend most of their life exploring their sexuality, and interactions with the opposite sex. According to surveys, many women do NOT orgasm regularly. Many women do not orgasm during intercourse. And many women do not really know what sexual pleasure they are capable of.
They often feel they can explore these areas better with women. There's a nonverbal communication between the bi curious females and they figure a woman is going to better understand their needs better than a man. Truth be told, a lot of men have zero knowledge about women, and some women are tired of being frustrated by men.
Because women worship beauty, and because they are sexual and sensual creature that revel in physical pleasure, they tend to find other women attractive (they always "size up" other women. And sometimes they are curious to see what a Woman's touch feels like. They are natural observers, and they tend to focus on physical beauty and flaws.) , and if they are adventurous enough they want to explore their femenine sexuality ,and their bodies. and the "feel" of a woman.
 

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first of all reality tv is not even close to reality. the people are anything but normal and most of it is scripted anyway.

secondly, MOST women exhibit lesbian behaviors only around men and its all a show to turn the men on and get ATTENTION. for all the chics you see grinding up on each other in the bar, very few of them actually go home and eat each other's snatches out.

thirdly, of the women who actually are bisexual or lesbo, very few of them are these super hot model types. most lesbian chics that i've come across are pretty butch and ugly.

as for lesbos using or not using 'game' on each other. i think its probably the same as gay men. i think when its same sex the games aren't as prevelant because there isn't a MOUNTAIN of social bullsh*t conditioning going on.

in hetero society there is clearly a men VS. women mentality. women call men dogs, men call women sl*ts, etc.

in the gay community no one is being pitted against each other. plus i think if 2 people are interested in each other, they both show it. instead of with men and women with all these sh*t tests and stuff.

but all that said, im sure gays and lesbos have their dating issues as well.
 

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thirdly, of the women who actually are bisexual or lesbo, very few of them are these super hot model types. most lesbian chics that i've come across are pretty butch and ugly.


I agree, but fwiw the hot bi model-looking chicks do exist. I am dating one right now.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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edger said:
I was watching a little bit of that reality show on MTV called "A Shot at Love"(which by the way is, as I'm sure you could guess, so matrix/AFC infested) or something like that, where 16 straight guys and 16 lesbian women are competing for a bi-sexual female, and the female has to choose whether she'd rather be with a man or a woman.

Anyway, it got me thinking about something that I never paid attention to. It's apparent when women hook up with other women, neither woman has to have "good game". But when it comes to men, women require that we have good game, or else no p*ssy. A little lost on this one. Any thoughts as to why women work this way with other women, but with us they're completely different? I mean it make's sense to say the things that attract a woman to a man sexually should also apply to a woman who's attracted to another woman, but apparently it's not like that.
Women need "game" just like men. Women don't need to WORK HARD at "game", though, because a woman's entire life has been spent engineering "game", from the time they picked up their first Seventeen magazine. It's second-nature to them. Whereas men, who have been doing FUN and/or USEFUL stuff all their young years, have a harder time picking up "game".

All the time you were playing with GI Joes or Transformers, girls were learning how to look pretty and how to raise a family. When you were reading magazines about cars or playing sports, women were reading magazines about how to drive men crazy.

Websites like this are the male equivalent of Cosmo. (which probably explains why they've become drek in the last couple years) Most men struggle so much because they haven't even begun to learn how to use their charm. For all you Matrix nerds, "your eyes hurt because you haven't used them".

It doesn't help that boys these days are encouraged to sit in front of video game consoles rather than learn things like how to socialize and how to handle competition and/or tests in real life. That's also why all the girls you know who play video games or dungeons-n-dragons with the guys are relatively unattractive...they never learned the female end of "game".

But don't wish the game was easier...become a better player. Otherwise you end up sitting around on forums whining about the "Hor Matrix". :p
 

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squirrels said:
Women need "game" just like men. Women don't need to WORK HARD at "game", though, because a woman's entire life has been spent engineering "game", from the time they picked up their first Seventeen magazine. It's second-nature to them. Whereas men, who have been doing FUN and/or USEFUL stuff all their young years, have a harder time picking up "game".

i dont know about this. i think if men never asked out women and women were the ones who had to do all the asking out then women would have to have a LOT more game than they do right now.

women are good at 'game' because they don't have to DO anything. they just giggle and smile and tell guys they like 'wow, you are so smart' and play to their ego. and then they just sit back and wait for this guy or that guy to ask them out.

but if they were the ones having to ask out the men, their game would SUCK.

a woman does NOT know how to handle a man who is not interested in her. women ONLY know how to handle men who want to taste their p*ssy.

which is why nexting is so powerful. a woman doesn't know how to handle a man who isn't desperate for the p*ssy. her whole 'game' is based on p*ssy power.
 

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Hahahhaha @ "whole game"!

I think what squirrels is getting at is women are much more social than us because during recess when boys were off playing, girls were standing around gossiping. But good point Joe, that's not the same thing as having game.
 

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LoL No I'm taking reality for real. The matrix says women are the poor and disadvantaged ones oppressed by men.
LMS - can you address if Ketostix comment is correct (according the the hor matrix)
 

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first of all reality tv is not even close to reality. the people are anything but normal and most of it is scripted anyway.
I know that, I never said it was..I've already said I wasn't basing my post from reality TV, but from my own personal observation in life.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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