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It's hilarious reading back some of the posts on this. What world are you guys living on where this isn't attention whoring behavior lol?
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It's hilarious reading back some of the posts on this. What world are you guys living on where this isn't attention whoring behavior lol?
I think you are right when you say she was a creep. A creep is someone with not enough social competence/experience.It's hilarious reading back some of the posts on this. What world are you guys living on where this isn't attention whoring behavior lol?
Yeah, I don't think that is normal behavior either and amazed these other posters don't see that. I actually asked 3 women that I know in their early 20s about a situation like this, though obviously I didn't get into very specific details, and they all said that they would never continue to interact or approach that man given that scenario. One of the them said if she was continuing to encourage engagement or going out of her way to do so that she was just seeking attention, basically what has been discussed on this thread lol.I think you are right when you say she was a creep. A creep is someone with not enough social competence/experience.
I still don't think it's "normal" to flirt with someone you just rejected. That's just abusive. I couldn't do that.
This woman had more serious issues with her going on. Doesn't matter what her motives were. Now with more info I think it's attention wh0ring, too. Reminds me of a coquette girl I knew. She was using men and try to garner ones approval with her sexual attractiveness. Maybe you encountered a likewise troubled creature.
Especially if the other woman is attractive. Often you will hear them make negative comments in order to disqualify the other woman.Dread is mostly passive, but it's a good term.
One of my kittens feels passive dread about women approaching me, but I explained to her that most of the women who approach me are not interested in giving me attention, but they want to draw attention to themselves because I haven't validated their presence. If a woman gets used to being the center of male attention, not getting that attention urges them to approach in order to be noticed (and hopefully get validated). And the more aloof you are when a woman approaches, the more she'll ramp up the flirting - especially when there are other women present.
Yeah, that also messes with my lover's mind. She's worried that other women look at me the way she sees me and she's afraid they will take her place, even if I don't give the woman any attention. She's working on her insecurity though, and it's getting better when I explained to her that most of these women are not really interested in me, they are just miffed I don't notice them and they approach to get validation. Okay, here's your validation, now go back to your bored-looking boyfriend.Especially if the other woman is attractive. Often you will hear them make negative comments in order to disqualify the other woman.
Examples of a REAL Attention W.hore | Sanghelios Example of An Attention ***** |
Starts telling you a bunch of nonsense about her life in a damsel in distresss manner to garner your attention and reel you in emotionally. Constantly makes the conversation about herself. Gives you her number and or social media but never hits you up or rarely talks to you unless shes just saying hey becuase she wants you to text herr and give her attentions, or posts revealing pics on social media for u to boost her ego Gives you small concentrated doses of charm but never seems to give you enough of her time to even really have a conversation. Wears revealing ass clothing like super tight yoga pants, shows alot of cleavage or wears tight clothes and no bra so you can see her nipples, shows a lot of skin, Goes in front of your line of sight and starts doing squats or lunges in tight yoga pants Overly charms you, flirts with you hard with no intention of ever giving you anything. The same attention she gives you, she gives to other guys openly.. She garners attention from multiple places Purposely does something to touch you or get close to you, or rub herself against you then act like she didnt know what she was doing Will go as far as to invite you out to things , will dance with you for a bit then disappear.. becauseas an attention *****, she garners her attention from many places, not just one When you're upset or confront her about just being selfish or only wanting attention, she tries to use her charm to make you feel like she really cares about you, as she doesnt want to lose a friend/someone to give her attention that she needs Usually has a ton of guys or friends in general who orbit around her. Creates unnecessary drama to be the center of attention or does whatever to bring attention back to her, or tries to be deeply involved in any topic or gossip and play every side. | Says Hello. sometimes says Hey. Sometimes waves from afar. Blatantly Rejects you and says she has a BOYFRIEND Starts being short with you when you start talking to her past being cordial or notices you're trying to go out your way to talk to her.. responds with one word responses, in person. Never gives you her number Rejects you another time saying "DIDNT ITELL U THE FIRST TIME NO" Starts Ignoring you andis visibly uncomfortable around you because she realizes you're a creep |
I think you’re half correct here.A girl being friendly does not mean shes into you. Women in relationships will often be the most friendliest becsuse now that they locked down a man they like they dont have the weird pressures of worrying about socializing with guys and wondering if the guy is secretly into her or about reciprocating feelings that arent there.
I don’t think this was embarrassing and I’be re-approached women at my gym or hobbies or in bars/clubs that politely rejected me the first time I approached and the second time they were very receptive and we had sex later.This thread should be a lesson for any guy who meets a girl who makes it clear they arent interested in you. Its important to never lose frame. Especially with women you have nothing with. Thats the most embarassing.
You’re taking it way too seriously brother. They may have liked you and you took it too seriously and were salty when they didn’t immediately seduce themselves for you.All of the other situations though involved women that were going out of their way to lead me on, flirt, talk to me, ask me out, etc.
I think the problem with the gym environment though is the possibility of running into them semi regularly and it turning into an awkward scenario. What I ended up learning from my experience is that the gym environment is a terrible place to try to approach or meet women.
Girls do not go out of their way to approach men they don’t see ANY value in. It just doesn’t make any sense for them to do that.If this is true, you're not 'unlucky'. If you're such an Adonis, the story fits quite well. She expressed interest in your appearance, but the moment you opened your mouth she back-pedalled.
Guess you have to work on your verbal game and your vibe, because you should be able to slay all these attention wh0res, whether they have a boyfriend or not. It sure won't be your appearance that messes it up.
That’s literally the EXACT opposite of my experience with women who REGULARLY go to gyms.I dated many truly fit athletic women throughout my life (most of them flexible rope bunnies). None of them I met in a gym, but they all went to the gym 2-6 times a week. ALL of them complained about guys approaching them, even when they were wearing headphones and busy exercising. Half of them enjoyed the lecherous stares from the men in the gym and they liked to watch some of the more handsome muscular men, but none of them were interested sexually in these men.
I think writing off this woman as just being a silly attention ***** who has a personality issue is lazy and unproductive.It's definitely not worth trying to analyze why a woman would behave in such a manner. I find it incredibly odd and to me it shows a severe lack of common sense and basic social consideration.
You'd have to understand, like you do, the importance of 'social proof' and how women are attracted to men who are comfortable around women. And how that is not always based on looking like an adonis. The OP doesn't get that yet, but hopefully the reactions in this post help.So, I respond with some jokes and we become friends - but instead of it just being her extracting attention and validation: have fun with her and bring her friends into the fun and pivot that pre-selection she’s giving you to meet other girls at the gym that ARE interested in you.
I guess that also depends on the 'gym culture' in your location.Women who go to the gym 2-6 times per week are not in this mindset though.
To each their own. You might not be embarrassed by thinking a girl likes you just because she says hi and hello despite her rejecting you, and still trying to make advances at her til the point she becomes very uncomfortable and then getting ousted/made out to be a creep by her as she now avoids you as if you're some creepy dude.. but, I think most men would.I think you’re half correct here.
In my experience, if I meet a woman who’s married - she’ll often hide her wedding ring (happens more than you think) or put off telling you they’re married for the following reasons:
1. She’s in deficit of diversified male attention/male validation.
They’re currently only get getting meaningful sexual/romantic/mating attention from one man (their husband) as everyone else in the social circle/work knows they’re married so doesn’t give them that attention.
When you give her that attention she wants to put off telling you she’s married because she knows that attention will stop immediately. Women need male attention & validation on a biological level as it’a a survival instinct.
Some women (not all) want or need a diversity of male attention in their l
2. She’s looking for a backup to her current boyfriend and/or she thinks you may have the potential to be the guy she monkey branches to from her current boyfriend or heaven forbid, her husband.
I don’t think this was embarrassing and I’be re-approached women at my gym or hobbies or in bars/clubs that politely rejected me the first time I approached and the second time they were very receptive and we had sex later.
They even pretend they forgot about the first time they rejected you - or just didn’t really remember it clearly.
I’m not advocating you badger them until they like you but just be relaxed and fun and friendly and have a laugh and amuse yourself if you see them again. Just don’t take it too seriously. If you’re a fun guy who’s enjoying himself and having a laugh, she’ll want to be friendly in return.
Then she can become your friend and introduce you to her friends or meet other women in the gym through her or WITH her.
You’re taking it way too seriously brother. They may have liked you and you took it too seriously and were salty when they didn’t immediately seduce themselves for you.
Just be a fun lad and have a laugh and girls will fall over themselves to be around you at the gym. You sound like you’re being far too serious and intense - women don’t like that, it comes across as threatening, insecure and weak - in addition to not being fun.
Women want to play and have fun - have fun yourself and they’ll join in.
Girls do not go out of their way to approach men they don’t see ANY value in. It just doesn’t make any sense for them to do that.
The payoff of JUST attention and validation generally isn’t enough for women to go out of their way - unless she’s doing that to EVERY other guy at the gym - which she wasn’t.
It sounds like she was fairly selective about what guys she talked to.
Women can deny these thingd until the cows come home, but I’d bet she wasn’t going out of her way to seek attention from the 58 year old creep smelly loner leering in the corner and she certainly wasn’t approaching the eeak cabbie working out wearing his cabbie uniform (see these guys at my gym at night) or the skinny 5 foot nothing incel 18 year old with a pizza face - was she?
So she was being selective with men she wanted attention from.
That’s literally the EXACT opposite of my experience with women who REGULARLY go to gyms.
My attractive female friends that go to gyms are constantly telling me that they would go on a date with ANY muscular guy she sees at the gym if they ask them. Others are pining for several guys and give them signals as much as they can without looking desperate.
Now, all of the women I actually DATE who go to the gym tell me they have NO interest in men at the gym. Some of them habe said they dated men at the gym before though.
The differing information that I get is that once I’m in a relationship with these girls - they’re not going to be truthful about their attraction or their receptivity to men at the gym because they don’t want me to know they have a bunch of alternative and fit dating options at their disposal when they go to the gym - which is exactly what the gym is for those fit gym regulars girls. It’s like a real life instagram or dating meat market for these girls.
Now women who go to the gym once per fortnight or once per month - they often don’t want to be bothered at the gym because their willpower is so low and they’re so lazy that they just want to get their workout out of the way and get on with doing something they actually enjoy because they ha
Women who go to the gym 2-6 times per week are not in this mindset though.
I think writing off this woman as just being a silly attention ***** who has a personality issue is lazy and unproductive.
I’ve seen women do these things to other men and it’s not what’s happening.
Like I said above - you’re ao serious and salty. Use all of this to your advantage and have dun with it.
Hahahaha that was great formatI can't believe I have to do this for this guy... But here it goes
Examples of a REAL Attention W.hore Sanghelios Example of An Attention ***** Starts telling you a bunch of nonsense about her life in a damsel in distresss manner to garner your attention and reel you in emotionally.
Constantly makes the conversation about herself.
Gives you her number and or social media but never hits you up or rarely talks to you unless shes just saying hey becuase she wants you to text herr and give her attentions, or posts revealing pics on social media for u to boost her ego
Gives you small concentrated doses of charm but never seems to give you enough of her time to even really have a conversation.
Wears revealing ass clothing like super tight yoga pants, shows alot of cleavage or wears tight clothes and no bra so you can see her nipples, shows a lot of skin,
Goes in front of your line of sight and starts doing squats or lunges in tight yoga pants
Overly charms you, flirts with you hard with no intention of ever giving you anything.
The same attention she gives you, she gives to other guys openly.. She garners attention from multiple places
Purposely does something to touch you or get close to you, or rub herself against you then act like she didnt know what she was doing
Will go as far as to invite you out to things , will dance with you for a bit then disappear.. becauseas an attention *****, she garners her attention from many places, not just one
When you're upset or confront her about just being selfish or only wanting attention, she tries to use her charm to make you feel like she really cares about you, as she doesnt want to lose a friend/someone to give her attention that she needs
Usually has a ton of guys or friends in general who orbit around her.
Creates unnecessary drama to be the center of attention or does whatever to bring attention back to her, or tries to be deeply involved in any topic or gossip and play every side.Says Hello. sometimes says Hey.
Sometimes waves from afar.
Blatantly Rejects you and says she has a BOYFRIEND
Starts being short with you when you start talking to her past being cordial or notices you're trying to go out your way to talk to her.. responds with one word responses, in person.
Never gives you her number
Rejects you another time saying "DIDNT ITELL U THE FIRST TIME NO"
Starts Ignoring you andis visibly uncomfortable around you because she realizes you're a creep
Please stop feeding this guy. He tells everyone that we don't know what an attention ***** is.. but he's so far out of touch its embarassing.
I go to the gym in the early or late evenings so I’m not sure there is a definative “gym culture” that’s been agreed to or followed by anyone.I guess that also depends on the 'gym culture' in your location.
Many of these girls worked their jobs in the afternoon/evening and exercised almost daily between 9-11 in the morning and are not in the mood to be seduced at those times.
My guess is that women who go exercise in the late afternoon / evening are more down to having a drink after their workout.
This sounds really passive-aggressive mate. I’ve slept with so many women when I’ve approached them a second or third time when I’m at the gym or my hobbies or just in clubs/bars.To each their own. You might not be embarrassed by thinking a girl likes you just because she says hi and hello despite her rejecting you, and still trying to make advances at her til the point she becomes very uncomfortable and then getting ousted/made out to be a creep by her as she now avoids you as if you're some creepy dude.. but, I think most men would.
Wasnt trying to be passive agressive. Thats exactly what happened to OP.I’ve slept with so many women when I’ve approached them a second or third time when I’m at the gym or my hobbies or just in clubs/bars.
Social proof is like a cheat code to bypass the vetting women need to do. If an attractive women speaks highly of you to another women, even if you never dated, it places you at a huge advantage vs doing a cold approach. In the same light, if she says you are a creep, she’ll tell all her friends too. Better place is to be in the positive light, even if you two are not a match.You'd have to understand, like you do, the importance of 'social proof' and how women are attracted to men who are comfortable around women. And how that is not always based on looking like an adonis. The OP doesn't get that yet, but hopefully the reactions in this post help.
Welcome to the club!Every thread he makes he ends up puttung people on his ignore list. Must be crowded up in there
This is an obvious but profound statement.To a woman and her unconscious mind (and old parts of her brain) a woman that doesn’f get attention and validation from men - doesn’t survive.
Indeed, they need to vet to weed out the creeps and freaks, so if other women have already done that job, the man is safer to approach.Social proof is like a cheat code to bypass the vetting women need to do.