"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I never expressed interest in leading anyone. That sounds like a huge liabilitiy.
And there's you're biggest problem. A woman's PRIMARY need and desire is to find a man who displays leadership qualities. Now if you go around having no interest in leading anyone, you have precisely zero chance of truly attracting a woman.

Perhaps your idea of what a leader is and why he leads is not congruent with what true leadership qualities are.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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How could I not be superior to a child?

I'm trying to match their delusions, and the things that impress them often makes no sense.
The major thing that impresses them is strength of character. That makes sense to me. We are attracted to that which we lack.

I suggest you become that which women lack, and experience them coming to you like moths to a flame.
 

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The major thing that impresses them is strength of character. That makes sense to me. We are attracted to that which we lack.

I suggest you become that which women lack, and experience them coming to you like moths to a flame.
Women lack a sense of character?
 

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The major thing that impresses them is strength of character. That makes sense to me. We are attracted to that which we lack.
I've said over and over on this forum that the man has to be the source of what is morally appropriate, because you for damn sure cannot depend on or allow the woman to set it. Unfortunately, too many men are just wrapped up into their own hedonism. And society continues to circle the toilet.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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And there's you're biggest problem. A woman's PRIMARY need and desire is to find a man who displays leadership qualities. Now if you go around having no interest in leading anyone, you have precisely zero chance of truly attracting a woman.

Perhaps your idea of what a leader is and why he leads is not congruent with what true leadership qualities are.
Well I employ people twice my age and with 100x the experience that I have. I definitely have leadership qualities. I don't necessarily desire to lead other guys because I don't really care enough. Those are the games of youth. But no guys lead me, other than societal structures itself such as the law/criminal justice system obviously has certain sway over my actions. But the point of the post was leading a girl. Lead her to do what? Is she going to want to flip houses with me? I don't think that would work for either of us.

And what exactly is it that you lead?
 
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And there's you're biggest problem. A woman's PRIMARY need and desire is to find a man who displays leadership qualities. Now if you go around having no interest in leading anyone, you have precisely zero chance of truly attracting a woman.

Perhaps your idea of what a leader is and why he leads is not congruent with what true leadership qualities are.
Well I employ people twice my age and with 100x the experience that I have. I definitely have leadership qualities. I don't necessarily desire to lead other guys because I don't really care enough. Those are the games of youth. But no guys lead me, other than societal structures itself such as the law/criminal justice system obviously has certain sway over my actions. But the point of the post was leading a girl. Lead her to do what? Is she going to want to flip houses with me? I don't think that would work for either of us.

And what exactly is it that you lead?
 

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You display leadership characteristics.

Some examples:
Have a plan and purpose for your meeting
Take her hand or grab her waist and guide her from one place to another
Have a general mindset of your own energy fueling the interaction (you are not reactive to her)
Be sure of what you want to do next. Say "Come on" and lead her somewhere else.

She wants to surrender decision making and ride your coattails.

Essentially, convey that you are a man of decision and action and that you are not there to please her, rather she is proving herself to you. Again, your own energy and desire and intent should fuel the interaction.

She is looking for the identifying characteristics of a leader. In her mind, if you can lead in a date, you are worth getting to know better. A woman will only truly surrender and submit to a leader.
 

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I've said over and over on this forum that the man has to be the source of what is morally appropriate, because you for damn sure cannot depend on or allow the woman to set it. Unfortunately, too many men are just wrapped up into their own hedonism. And society continues to circle the toilet.
Can you explain this? It’s news to me
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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You display leadership characteristics.

Some examples:
Have a plan and purpose for your meeting
Take her hand or grab her waist and guide her from one place to another
Have a general mindset of your own energy fueling the interaction (you are not reactive to her)
Be sure of what you want to do next. Say "Come on" and lead her somewhere else.

She wants to surrender decision making and ride your coattails.

Essentially, convey that you are a man of decision and action and that you are not there to please her, rather she is proving herself to you. Again, your own energy and desire and intent should fuel the interaction.

She is looking for the identifying characteristics of a leader. In her mind, if you can lead in a date, you are worth getting to know better. A woman will only truly surrender and submit to a leader.
No. Leading someone on a "date" has nothing to do with the real world.
 

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No. Leading someone on a "date" has nothing to do with the real world.
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That’s news to me. Ever sincs HS, many years ago, I’ve always had a date plan, single or double venue, and led. If I want to freewheel it, she follows. Thanks for straightening me out on my erroneous ways… Lmao
Good luck with the women you encounter. Living without a plan or leader Always results in chaos.
 
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That’s news to me. Ever sincs HS, many years ago, I’ve always had a date plan, single or double venue, and led. If I want to freewheel it, she follows. Thanks for straightening me out on my erroneous ways… Lmao
Good luck with the women you encounter.
I lead a business that I guarantee will make me $1 million profit within 5 years. I can do all of this without even interacting with a single female. There's a large world out there that has nothing to do with "women."

At this point, when I get decent looking matches on Badoo, I don't even respond to them because it seems like a waste of time.

What happens on dates is minor small talk and fake as hell. How is someone really supposed to get to know you in a few hours?
 

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I can do all of this without even interacting with a single female. There's a large world out there that has nothing to do with "women."

At this point, when I get decent looking matches on Badoo, I don't even respond to them because it seems like a waste of time.

What happens on dates is minor small talk and fake as hell. How is someone really supposed to get to know you in a few hours?
You’re on the wrong forum.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I've been preaching the essential message of the OP for a long time, and I will add that his last points are most important.

The day I became successful with women was the day I decided that I was innately superior to them in terms of rational thought, strength of character, physical strength, moral strength, etc.

I then decided that for a period of time I would make sure to call them out on bad behavior, judge them, and reject them. I knew that this would be a useful exercise in straightening out my faulty evaluation of myself in relation to them. So for about 12 months I did just that. I decided that during this time I would absolutely not seek out women, but instead would judge their words and behavior and require them to meet my standards.

Once the 12 months was up I decided once again to seek out women and found that the floodgates were open. I carried myself differently, spoke in a different tone, projected a superior yet friendly vibe, and suddenly this shy guy who had no clue whatsoever how to talk to women was now in the upper echelon.

Throughout this experiment I discovered (but had always intuited) that women cannot date down. They must perceive you as above them. They must perceive you as a leader and as someone who will put them in their place when necessary. Most men are horrified at the thought of walking around feeling superior to women. But the fact is, gentlemen, that most women walk around feeling very much superior to YOU.

Men who they regard as below them are disregarded as things that take up space, entities worthy of only one thing... Doing physical jobs for them. It's just like we men, who have the same regard for fat chicks. We immediately disregard them as below us.

You must be better than them in mind and emotion first, and the rest falls nicely into place.

What was my reward for such audacity? I now have a woman in my life who is stunningly beautiful both physically and in character. I believe that this is no accident, no luck of the draw. My every interaction with her right from the start was from a standpoint of her needing to impress me. Not the other way around.

She knows who the boss is, and she is intelligent yet completely submissive to my leadership. She strives to show respect and to be the best person she can be.

Brag post, right? Wrong! This is the reality that one experiences when one acts like a man, as men used to be in days long past, prior to the 60s. In fact, even before then in the earlier 1900s men were already softening up. But I digress...

Somebody reading this might think I must be some kind of tyrant, walking around thinking I'm superior to her. In fact, I am not superior in worth to her. Rather, I am superior to her in manly qualities, as she is superior to me in womanly qualities. That's the way it's supposed to be... the two genders complimenting each other.

Men, I urge you to train yourselves to REQUIRE that women act respectfully toward you, and it they don't dismiss them without a thought. I don't mean just potential girlfriends, but all women. Women can smell that attitude on you like a bloodhound smells a track on the ground. They are not repulsed, they are attracted to this. Some are confused by it and attracted simultaneously, because I am causing them to respond from their natural female core.

Be a KING I always say. You are in command of your kingdom, and you decide who deserves to be near you and who gets ousted. I hold all women to MY standard, and therefore they are deeply attracted.

It's the only way to succeed, gents. You will find after you adjust your thinking that you are not a tyrant nor a misogynist, but rather that you have found your center core of masculinity, and you will be perceived as kind and friendly, and lots of fun to be around. But now, women will perceive instinctively not to disrespect you. They can smell it on you.

My current relationship: Two years and literally not even one sh!t test. I wonder why?
Damn,lol. Excellent post,Atom.

I said the same thing to a member here,almost 10 years ago.........

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/i-saw-the-ioi-but-what-now.169644/#post-1649970
 

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No I'm not.

You're just blue pilled.
You have asked a lot of questions in this forum, and people have given you solid gold, but you refuse to accept it because you allow your old, ineffective attitudes to filter it out. The nature of your questions indicate that you haven't gotten it figured out, and then when people who DO have it figured out offer to help you, you reject it out of hand because you are so "certain" that your perspective is correct, even though your perspective has not allowed you to improve with women.

At some point you need to humble yourself and realize that what you have been doing isn't working for you, and that there are some here who are qualified to show you a way that works. As I said, pure gold has been put right on your doorstep during your stay here, and you have squandered it because you think you know better.

What you have been thinking and perceiving isn't working for you, Richard. It's really time to examine yourself and see if pride is holding you back from victory.
 
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You have asked a lot of questions in this forum, and people have given you solid gold, but you refuse to accept it because you allow your old, ineffective attitudes to filter it out. The nature of your questions indicate that you haven't gotten it figured out, and then when people who DO have it figured out offer to help you, you reject it out of hand because you are so "certain" that your perspective is correct, even though your perspective has not allowed you to improve with women.

At some point you need to humble yourself and realize that what you have been doing isn't working for you, and that there are some here who are qualified to show you a way that works. As I said, pure gold has been put right on your doorstep during your stay here, and you have squandered it because you think you know better.

What you have been thinking and perceiving isn't working for you, Richard. It's really time to examine yourself and see if pride is holding you back from victory.
Maybe I know more than you?

And maybe you respect "women" a little too much?

Show pictures of your girlfriends since you've become this "new man."

I would rather have no success than to betray myself. Not to mention that I've probably fvcked hotter girls than you have...
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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