Being a Jerk or ******* in High School

[HandyAndy]

Does this work? I always hear about girls saying "I hate boys, theyre *******s!" or "hes a jerk!"

Discuss 8=====D

 

[SinJester]

If you have read the DJ Bible you should know look at what girls do not listen to what they say =]

"Oh my boyfriends such a jerk, why couldn't he be more like you?" Is a line I'm sure a lot of nice guys have heard. The thing is she is going out with him not you, therefore she must be attracted to what he is doing not what you are doing.

You see if a guy isn't a jerk/exciting/not perfect then the girl has nothing to talk to her girlfriends about. She wont like that at all.

However when you learn and understand more you realize you don't have to be a jerk. All you really have to do is stop being the needy 'nice guy' that we always here so much about. You don't have to be a jerk, you just have to convey higher status. You don't have to be a jerk, you just have to be fun or exciting or interesting. You don't have to be a jerk you just have to give her a range of emotions. You don't have to be a jerk you just have to be a challenge. You see a lot of things that are attractive to women, but they aren't directly linked to the fact that he is a 'jerk' (meaning ******* in this context). you have to do is be a cool guy without giving your power away. Not giving you power away is doing things because YOU want to do them, not being a pushover and most importantly never trying to impress people and never changing yourself for people.

The person I described above, the cool guy who doesn't give his power away, is basically a DJ. The whole jerk thing may be usefull to help newbies understand but ultimately can be disadvantaging. If you want to know more about it you should read How To Be The Jerk Women Love by FJ Shark. Great book. The person he describes in it I wouldn't call a jerk, I would call him a DJ.

 

[Five To One]

^All of what sinjester said plus its just high school man, you can go overboard with the ashole thing without having huge conciquences. Its my senior year coming up, and I wont give a fvck about letting people know what I think of them. Especially the girls who think they are hot sh1t.

If it ends up being a huge mistake then atleast its your last year and you wont be seeing most of the people again.

 

[Axcell]

Does this work? I always hear about girls saying "I hate boys, theyre *******s!" or "hes a jerk!"

Discuss 8=====D

I wouldn't go so far as to be labelled a jerk/a**hole. You can remain the prize, have confidence, be outgoing, be ****y, funny, sweet, all at the same time without being a jerk. Once you are labelled as one, it's often very dificult to get out of it.

At the same time, there are some characteristics of a jerk/bad boy that women do like... if you mix a bit of sweetness into that, the fireworks are going to start going off. It's all about having the better of the best worlds, be unpredictable! (However, as you move onto a LTR, you can start opening up to her and make a few exceptions.)

 

[royaltyw]

Does this work? I always hear about girls saying "I hate boys, theyre *******s!" or "hes a jerk!"

Discuss 8=====D

Yes, it does. But only because jerks and *******s have 2 qualities (among others) that drive women nuts...they are 'challenging' and 'mysterious'. These personality traits attract women like a set of Double D's attract men.

 

[HandyAndy]

Okay I know for a fact that Im a challenge and Ive never seen any other guy be one around girls, im sure there are I just need to find them.

As for being mysterious, meh, never really tried, I guess that ties into being a challenge a little bit

I just have to talk to the girls that are showing interest in me, Im looking up CnF openers and those are great and f'ing hilarious

 

[WalkingStick]

I have to agree with what the other guys have said. Girls don't like the fact that these guys are jerks, but they like certain aspects of them. If you can convey these WITHOUT being a *****, you'll be much better off.

Be careful with C&F, too. If you go overboard on the ****y in hs, you'll be seen as an ass.

 

[I'm Charming]

I was a total ******* in high school - never worked that well for me.

 

[LostAndConfused]

I am the biggest ***hole in my entire school (now that I'm a senior, I've taken on the role).

I'm self-centered.

I look at myself in the mirror for several minutes when I head out the school bathroom.

I have a fvcked up superiority complex that gives myself a "higher value" than everyone else who crosses my path.

I have several friends (social proof?)

It also hasn't gotten me anywhere

Every girl I've hooked up with has been from a differnet school. I have honestly never hooked up with a girl from my own school.

HOWEVER, some of the "runners up" to my throne have gotten the MOST pvssy out of everyone there. They are football players.

Take it how you will.

 

[HandyAndy]

Well judging from the unsuccessfulness of being a jerk, I think now that being a challenge will separate you from other guys, and thats enough in my opinion. Maybe with a little kino and some CnF or teasing you will get girls attracted

 

[(JJ)]

well i've never really had a problem getting girls. and i'm kinda an as$hole. not all the time. i like to think of myself as being cool, but having a little bit of an edge cuz people know i don't just put up with sh1t. so maybe this post is superfluous. i'm basically reiterating what others have said.



semi-as@hole/some traits of an as$hole=tail in high school.

 

[DarthAngel707]

Wow Andy 1,755 posts and you don't even know the secrets of the jerk or what makes them so alluring.... This "chicks like bad boys" subject is the most common subject in all of seduction and yet you have to ask this???

Next time you should memorize what you read and let the concepts sink into your skull before asking a question that you have probably already read and has been answered literally around 5,000+ times.

 

[I'm Charming]

I think it is simultaneously possible to be a jerk and get treated like an AFC.

I was always this arrogant ******* that didnt care what anyone thought of me but this got me labelled in School as a:

1) Target - Other guys dont like arrogance, it's treated as a threat, and I have had people be physically violent towards me on several occassions because I've told them to f**k off when offered with a proposition of their authority that I didn't like.

My lack of physicality on these issues gave:

2) Loss of social status. If you're not physical then its hard to retain authority, because if you are arrogant and not a strong person in a physical sense then you will take a beating - if you take a beating you are automatically pushed down the ranks of social status.

Which in turn made me appear:

3) Friendless. The more this cycle repeats the more you are considered friendless or low status, you are treated as insecure, Women see you as insecure and vulnerable, you are a jerk but you are simultaneously treated like an AFC because of your lowered social status and lack of physical strength.

4) Loss of mental strength. The more this cycle repeats the weaker you will become mentally weak as well, it's hard to retain confidence unless you know how to fake it - I became a bumbling, long haired **** with a continued determination to look at my shoes, from an originally arrogant, yet confident young man I turned into a weak, insecure, loser. So while arrogance can keep you up there, it can also bring you down.

So I'd say there is a transition period where you can be both - but you will eventually become one or the other, arrogance is not a good quality unless it is backed up by strength of person.

 

[playa99]

dude
high school people- not just chicks im talking bout everyone
are very stereo typical
we see a fledgling player strutting his stuff, he gets stereotyped as being a player, he cant get the high quality girls, just the slutty ones, cause after all, all he is is a slutty male. And im pretty sure no-one on this site goes after the slutty females
If you're going to be a player
do it in clubs and what not
with girls who you are unlikely to see again
so basically approach out of school lol
unlike the real world
in high school its like being in a cage
once a few people in the cage know
they all know!!
keep a rep as a great guy
not a nice one
a great one
get with as many girls as you can
but dont fvck them about
and you will have a good rep in the cage which is high school and be able to get the higher quality girls with a good social proof and a good rep

 

[LostAndConfused]

I think it is simultaneously possible to be a jerk and get treated like an AFC.

I was always this arrogant ******* that didnt care what anyone thought of me but this got me labelled in School as a:

1) Target - Other guys dont like arrogance, it's treated as a threat, and I have had people be physically violent towards me on several occassions because I've told them to f**k off when offered with a proposition of their authority that I didn't like.

My lack of physicality on these issues gave:

2) Loss of social status. If you're not physical then its hard to retain authority, because if you are arrogant and not a strong person in a physical sense then you will take a beating - if you take a beating you are automatically pushed down the ranks of social status.

Which in turn made me appear:

3) Friendless. The more this cycle repeats the more you are considered friendless or low status, you are treated as insecure, Women see you as insecure and vulnerable, you are a jerk but you are simultaneously treated like an AFC because of your lowered social status and lack of physical strength.

4) Loss of mental strength. The more this cycle repeats the weaker you will become mentally weak as well, it's hard to retain confidence unless you know how to fake it - I became a bumbling, long haired **** with a continued determination to look at my shoes, from an originally arrogant, yet confident young man I turned into a weak, insecure, loser. So while arrogance can keep you up there, it can also bring you down.

So I'd say there is a transition period where you can be both - but you will eventually become one or the other, arrogance is not a good quality unless it is backed up by strength of person.

AMEN MY MAN!!

This is the situation I'm in right now at my high school. However I was capable of beating up anyone who challenged me....but I didn't. Perhaps it was "discipline" from martial arts or the fact that I didn't want to get a felony for beating a kid up, I don't know.

How'd you get out of it?

 

[I'm Charming]

People make 60-80% of their judgement of you within five minutes of meeting you, when you slump to that state, people just assume that's who you are. It's impossible to escape from, I only escaped from it by leaving high school - in an environment where you see the same people day in day out, people will classify you.

Having said that I'd say the mistake most people make is just taking physical violence and not retaliating, if someone looks like they're going to hit you just hit them first. It makes people think you're dangerous, and it will get people talking about you = high social value.

My mistake was being mentally strong enough to be a jerk but not mentally strong enough to swing first at someone who wanted to fight me, it looks weak if you just take it without a fight and I did on several occasions, if you're going to follow the path of arrogance make sure you do it 100% and be totally headstrong, otherwise the AFC part of you will eventually take over.

 

[HandyAndy]

Wow Andy 1,755 posts and you don't even know the secrets of the jerk or what makes them so alluring.... This "chicks like bad boys" subject is the most common subject in all of seduction and yet you have to ask this???

Next time you should memorize what you read and let the concepts sink into your skull before asking a question that you have probably already read and has been answered literally around 5,000+ times.

What the hell does my post count have to do with this?

First, not every one of my posts is about seduction, there are other sections on this forum you know?

Second, high school girls are different from experienced girls, so I have to get different types of advice.

Third, I do know why chicks like bad boys, the reason I asked this question is because im here reading all this seduction material, while my nice guy friend lands a girlfriend and he hasnt read one sentence about attracting women, which lead me to believe that high school game is different, which is why I asked this question...

 

[SinJester]

DarthAngel go easy

Third, I do know why chicks like bad boys, the reason I asked this question is because im here reading all this seduction material, while my nice guy friend lands a girlfriend and he hasnt read one sentence about attracting women, which lead me to believe that high school game is different, which is why I asked this question...

HandyAndy I have been though the EXACT same situation, and it fcked me up a bit for a fairly long time. Looking back I now know where I went wrong. Game goes a lot deeper then the DJ Bible would have you believe. It is a set of guidelines, not a set of concrete rules, and it never should have been called the bible. In real life every one of those rules can and probably will be broken. The thing is you have to have something going for you, or sometimes you just get lucky. When what you described happened to me, I started doubting the DJ Bible, and I wondered if it didn't apply at all in highschool. I still think today that highschool is a bit different, this is just because the environment is different and the main thing is that girls don't have much experience at all. You can probably get away with a lot of AFC things, more depending on how experienced the girl is and how attracted she is to you.

Eventually you realize (even though it should seem obvious), that how good you are with women has nothing to do with how much material you have read. How good you are is usually proportional to how much EXPERIANCE you have had with women. So if you have read a fair bit of material, reading more isn't going to help, but going out and getting experience (any experience, even bad ones) will drastically help your 'game'. Things like the Mystery Method are based around getting around the girls defenses, this assumes she has lots of experience and also assumes she initially views you as lower value than her. It doesn't always apply in highschool, and a lot of pickup stuff is based around it.

Normal people don't read up on seduction, yet they still get laid. If AFCs didn't occasionally get girls the human race would be extinct in no time. The difference is the DJ Bible teaches you how to be the MAN in the relationship, get a lot more girls then average, go out and meet the girls you want rather than waiting to get lucky and ensures you aren't going to get cheated on or fcked with by the girl. AFCs don't always have all that.

Like I said, this stuff goes way deeper than the bible. Back when 'my girl’ got stolen by one of my best mates who I thought was a complete AFC, I thought I was spitting perfect game. I wasn't. I thought c/f and kino were magic bullets, say a couple lines and touch her a couple times and any girl has to fall for you. So not true. Now I look back, I was trying to impress her, I was trying to take something from her, I was hitting on her. My mate was just being relaxed, himself and generally a cool guy. Even if he was AFC deep down, he made her feel comfortable and maybe fun. Eventually you realize you actually have to 'be yourself' to be your most attractive.

I hope that helps somewhat. How did your friend get a girl? Did he ask her out or did he just get lucky? Oh and if you have any questions just ask, I'm sure I can help.

 

[HandyAndy]

Great post thanks for the help! Idk about my friend they just came onto each other, hes nothing special either and im really confused as to how the hell this girl even likes him, but whatever, his life not mine Thx again ill PM u with question if I ever have any

 

[SinJester]

He probably has something going for him, maybe you just can't see it because your jealous? I think that was what happened to me. Girls fall for people just like we do. You know how when you are an AFC and you barely know a girl but you build her up in your head untill she seems perfect? That's exactly what girls do as well. So whatever the guy is like, the girl probably built him up to be something special. I'm sure there would have to be something going for him in any case. Attraction isn't what you do, it's what you make her think when she's with you and when you aren't around.