"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Been really stupid... any way out

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Before I start, I do know that most of the people reading this will have a "you asked for it" reaction... I know, but it doesn't help :)

So, it's basically a missed your shot story.

It all started years ago, when I met this girl at the University. Went out on a date, but I wasn't really feeling it, so I let it pass. But, we bumped into each other time to time, met up... sometimes drinks, sometimes movies... Each time I would get very clear signals, but didn't act on them.
I wasn't playing, or trying to be a jerk, I really wanted to be friends, she is a very interesting person, and I enjoy the company (and this where you say "you don't do that to a girl, you jerk", I know...). We never got to the real friend phase, we would se each other a couple of times, and than nothing for 6 months or a year...

About 8 months ago, we met up again (now both out of the University...) and somehow an idea came up we might take some dancing lesson together. And we did. Even at this point, I think that had I tried, I would have got her... But I didn't.

This time, however, we kept seeing each other. And all of a sudden, something snapped in my head (or heart, or... well wherever it snaps). Unfortunately, by that time, the signals were gone. Quite the opposite. The "friend" word came up (in plan conversation, not an advance, but still, before she would make just absurd semantic constructions to avoid saying friends), it's gotten fairly difficult to see her outside of the dancing lessons (before she would completely rearrange her life just for a cup of coffee)...

Almost like she pulled a "Crazy Ivan" on me (pulling away from a person, sometimes works on girls, never heard of work on guy).

The problem is, now I'm nuts about her. I know her relatively well, I's been going on for some time now, so not a stupid crush which is about to just go away.

So, I know, I missed my shot.
Right now, it seems like we're headed for a conversation after which we won't be seeing each other anymore at all (But than again, I might be to much of realist, you know the "This is half full", "This is half empty", "I think this is piss" poster").

Any ideas if there is something I might try before I go and FUBAR things? I'v got the patience, if there is a long-shot...
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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sodbuster

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date other women, IF she gets jealous... you stand a chance. IF not,well, you are dating other girls and not wasting time
 

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sodbuster said:
date other women, IF she gets jealous... you stand a chance. IF not,well, you are dating other girls and not wasting time
At this point, I'm not sure I agree with this advice. This back and forth has gone on for so long now (many months, it seems) with you making no move. As you've mentioned, she started using the word "friend" now, when she avoided it before, and other signals have disappeared. By dating other women, you are just reaffirming what she seems to be thinking already "he doesn't want me".

You need to make a move on her. You literally have nothing to lose, as you said the relationship was going towards a "not seeing eachother at all anymore" state. Just keep in mind that this may confuse the hell out of her after all this time, so you may be asked to explain your actions. Be ready for that.
 

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Take things slow. Do NOT initiate the 'relationship/where things are going/i like you' conversation...EVER!

Slowly try to drop hints that you like her more than just friends. SLOWLY (over a period of get togethers, not hours/minutes) try to escalate. You can't rush this, or you'll creep her out.

I was in a near identical situation last year, I simply called her up one time and said "lets go on a DATE on friday" (make sure you use the word date..she should get the picture)...the rest is history. But you really cant rush this. Dont try to eat her face out of nowhere, dont spill your 'feelings' to her...dont try to get in her pants one night, or you'll ruin your chances.
 
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