Chuckii_Mack
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A Bit Middle Class and Judgemental. But OK.
Chuckii
Chuckii
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Become a man of value
- Thread starter Jariel
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Jar do you class negs, push pull, 1 step forward 2 steps back, hoops, loops as manipulation?
I do, and I use them, they create a fun interaction and will usually have the girl begging YOU for sex. She enjoys it, that's the main thing, your focused on the negative aspect of it.
S0LID
I do, and I use them, they create a fun interaction and will usually have the girl begging YOU for sex. She enjoys it, that's the main thing, your focused on the negative aspect of it.
S0LID
I used to use those things, but it got to be too much hassle and required too much thinking, so now I just go out, relax and be myself. I don't give much thought to speaking to women now, I just speak to them like I know them as a friend. Sometimes it involves teasing or ****y + funny, but it all depends on the person and situation to how I adapt. I usually find whatever I say goes down well with most people as I spend a lot of time around people and have developed natual social skills.S0LID said:
I don't mean to focus so much on the negatives, but I do believe that most people can see through fakers or try hards.
I've actually pulled many girls who were not intrested, who were *****y, walking away from me, normal convo wouldnt have cut it.... To start off with I was coming across fake, so what? It just becomes who you are eventually. Manipulation is not about being a geek or insecure, it's just about putting the odds in your favour.
Statistics favour the manipulator.
Statistics favour the manipulator.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
spider_007
Master Don Juan
bump
excellent post.
We can see and smell fakers everywhere we go...
they are insecure and want to prove everybody they are the "****".
So they care a lot on what others think of them.
Some try go seek approval and validation from people. It's not an honest interaction.
I would like to know if you know how to stop that ****.
I mean, I want to be COMPLETE.
Relations would be more honest, geniune, and I would not talk to TAKE anything, but to GIVE.
How how?
We can see and smell fakers everywhere we go...
they are insecure and want to prove everybody they are the "****".
So they care a lot on what others think of them.
Some try go seek approval and validation from people. It's not an honest interaction.
I would like to know if you know how to stop that ****.
I mean, I want to be COMPLETE.
Relations would be more honest, geniune, and I would not talk to TAKE anything, but to GIVE.
How how?
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
In order to have those things in a relationship you need to have them in yourself. Don't just be honest, first be honest to yourself. Don't just be genuine, first be genuine with yourself.Naled said:
Many guys act honest and genuine but the complain when they make a mistake and blow up their entire game. This happens when their is a lack of authenticity. Guy's who are truly successful do not act like a DJ, they are genuine DJs. They live the life of a DJ authentically.
Some guys see these DJs as naturals, as if they were born with these qualities. This isn't always the case, however they have made the appropriate traits their own so that they seem as if they were born with them.
My problem is :
when I talk to someone, sometimes I feel disapointed, like I was seeking her approval, pleasing that person, and at the end, I felt rejected.
I want to be complete myself like you said, so rejection or disaproval don't hurt.
Stephane from ideagasms says that in order to not care what others think of you, you must first stop judging yourself for those things. Problem gone.
Hmmm....
when I talk to someone, sometimes I feel disapointed, like I was seeking her approval, pleasing that person, and at the end, I felt rejected.
I want to be complete myself like you said, so rejection or disaproval don't hurt.
Stephane from ideagasms says that in order to not care what others think of you, you must first stop judging yourself for those things. Problem gone.
Hmmm....
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Boschy
Senior Don Juan
In The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, Steven Covey's points about living life according to principles also applies here. He says when you live by principles and use them to make decisions, you never let emotions or irrelevant factors cloud your judgement or affect your self esteem/worth. It's not about keeping everyone happy, but instead being consistent and ethical to yourself and to others.
In terms of being a DJ, one principle might be "I will try to be the best person I can be", which could translate to such truisms as "women who do not know me personally cannot hurt me by rejecting my overtures".
In terms of being a DJ, one principle might be "I will try to be the best person I can be", which could translate to such truisms as "women who do not know me personally cannot hurt me by rejecting my overtures".
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Good question. I'd take the social value, because with it comes friends, the ability to get by in life and interact with people, and some women are attracted to that value alone.Steele said:
I'm yet to achieve financial success, but I do have looks, talent and social value, and my social value is by far my most fulfilling.