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I'm a deep thinker, but I'm often not quick on my feet. I've never known how to think quick in relation to women. I always think of my best lines after the fact ... couple years ago I got crapped on by some woman and it literally took me an hour's drive in my car to realize, "Hey, that wasn't right!"

Got LJBFed last night, which is OK because I'm spinning a few plates right now. The thing I was upset at was my response was lame. It wasn't witty, insightful, useful or anything. It was dull. Later on of course I thought of something I could've said but obviously the moment was lost.

I think one thing is women always blind-side me. I wasn't ready for LJBF (especially after the last date), so I guess my only advice would be to expect ANYTHING at ALL TIMES from women. They can come out of left field. Just be on your toes.

* Another Simpson's reference in how it relates to this topic. Homer is playing poker and is taking too much time to make a move. Lenny and Karl rip on him and say, "Man, Homer you are so slow." Next scene shows Homer mad, "I am not slow!" ... He's driving home in his car hours after the poker game. LOL!
 

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just my 2 cents, hope it helps.

the key is not to be witty at all. the key is to just agree whole hearted.

when you get blind sided, agree whole hearted with whatever she is saying. heck, act like its even a relief, as though you were thinking the same thing and you're glad she brought it out in the open.

I mean, it does five things:

1) its the most shocking of all the responses you can give
2) it calls them on their game (if they are playing games)
3) it shows that you aren't obsessed with them and that if they just want to be friends, no big deal, there are plenty of girls aching for your bacon.
4) it almost inevitably makes them second guess their decision
5) its so damn simple and totally full proof. You don't have to think of a single thing other than agree with whatever she says.

now this only applies to getting LBFD.

so example:

Her: You know West you're such a great guy. you really are. but im just not at that point where im ready for a relationship. I really would like to be friends.
You: Actually, I'm really glad you said that. I think that would be best also. I was thinking of saying that myself, but didn't want to hurt your feelings.

haha. trust me, she will spend the next week thinking to herself - what the hell did I do to him for him to JUST want to be friends with me. he doesn't think im attractive? he thinks he can do better? Screw him, im going to ask him out and prove to him that im gf material. And you know, he does seem like a nice guy. Most guys that i tell I want to be friends with tell me to f*ck off and go to hell, or get angry and accuse me of manipulating them. He really is a strong man to just brush that off. And dammit, why does he just want me as a friend? That's it im calling him right this second.

hahaha
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Yep, I agreed (even though I wanted to pursue it a little more), I was like, "Oh yeah, that's all I thought it was" and so forth. I was calm and collected.

Something just didn't feel right ... just felt unpolished or something. Hard to explain, but there probably wasn't enough depth there for my liking ... there I go thinking again, a bad thing to do sometimes.

I definitely didn't wuss out (thank you sosuave.com for kicking my AFC a$$ a couple years ago!) ... but I just thought I could've DJed it better.

Nevertheless, I did get blind-sided ... I'm tired of that. I need to be on my toes, you never know when or what is going to happen with women. They'll dump you if they've had a bad hair day ...
 

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WC,

According to Mystery, it's much easier to create attraction in a new target than it is to heat up an old target who's apparently lost interest. So you're doing the right thing by looking for other relationships. Have you taken a look at Mystery's M3 model? I'm doing my best to understand its principles for the very reason you describe: I don't want to be blindsided by the various, multiple and inevitable tests a girl puts forth at various stages of a relationship. Think of M3 as an outline for writing a paper. If you begin to write a paper without any sense of direction, you get worked up into a lather at the beginning, begin to write in a flurry, and then get befuddled somewhere in the middle stages because you have no roadmap of where you are going with the idea (and your enthusiasm) long term. I see M3 as a way of planning your journey out on a map before you begin a trip, rather than just starting out running at max speed with no idea where you are going.

You can download and read ch. 3 of his Venusian Arts handbook for free on his website. It's a fascinating cultural and biological analysis of dating and mating dynamics. The key principle in the handbook is that attraction is not a choice and that both males and females wind up doing stupid, irrational things when the other party is able to throw the proper attraction switches in their target either by accident or design.

Believe me, I am not a shill for Mystery as I tend to believe he's a rather bizarre and disturbed individual from the accounts I've read of him, and I'd probably be uncomfortable attending one of his seminars (the cost of which is now approaching $3000 btw). But he is one of the few 'gurus' who's shown that he can actually get results in the field on a consistent basis. The RSD guys, Juggler, they just push guys to approach in the field; Deangelo gives speeches but doesn't demonstrate in the real world. The question is, are you congruent with the lack of neediness (zen) and willingness to peacock which Mystery Method demands? Are you willing to practice rote negs? I'll have more to say about the pros and cons of Mystery Method in the future. For now, I believe that his method gives you a great outline for the trajectory of LTR's. Gunwitch a great outline for ONS-ing the lone wolf. Choose your weapon, but always be prepared.

NorPacWolf/Captain
 

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WEST, you know from my PMs to you what I thought you should've told her at the time, though it's a day late and a buck short in this instance, but it takes preparation and developing the attitude to hit back when the situation warrants it. In my AFC days I once had a girfriend who I knew was going to dump me and the night before she did a guy I was in a band with told me, "If you knew with 100% certainty your best friend was going to punch you in the face would you let him or would you beat him to the punch?" Back then I didn't get this and I got trampled, but now I understand the principle - expect the best, but prepare for the worst.

A lot of people think I'm down on the PUA methodology here, I'm not and here's an instance that I think it may help you. You have to mentally practice LJBF responses so they become your default. Perfect the default LJBF response which should always be, "Uh, probably not" when she hopes to remain friends.Another variant might be "I don't think so, I like you more than a just a friend, but I can see you don't share the same feelings. See ya around" or "I'm old enough to know when a young lady isn't interested, but thanks anyway."

This is a circumstance that I fully agree with PUA methods in running routine. I've posted on the LJBF tactic ad infinitum on the Forum and the best way to handle this is to tactfully decline the psuedo-friendship-as-olive-branch rejection back to her. Most women that resort to LJBF have learned to repeat it since it's been proven effective by countless guy's reinforcing it. By not reinforcing it her default response is shaken and the responsibility for the rejection is handed back to her where it belongs. By making this habit you increase you value as a commodity.

After a while it becomes your clutch response to such situations. I'm sure a few AFCs here will get on me about how "you never know" and "maybe she's testing you" to which I'll respond, yeah, so? It's simple pragmatism and this is your best filter for IL. If it's a sh!t test, you pass it by emphatically proving to her that her 'friendship' isn't your highest priority, you have options and she's left with the self-doubt that you are in fact a catch. If she's genuinely not interested then you've wasted no more time or effort on a dead end.
 

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Be prepared

* Sheesh, I get this e-mail today from her telling me what a great guy I am, blah, blah, blah ... I gotta expect the unexpected.

Back to the topic ... looking back, I should've seen the LJBF coming ... calls more infrequent, one date postponed, etc. There were enough red flags. My problem is I've been conditioned by stupid society to think there's a time and place for everything. Guess what? The time and the place is whenever it happens and wherever it happens. There is no perfect moment. Thanks American Society for programming my brain into a gooey mess!

The punch-you-in-the-face quote Rollo was great. I'm not heartbroken at all, or even upset (thanks to your plate spinning theory ... God, that is the cure for any possivle oneitis, and a preventive medicine for it, too! Wow!) ... I'm more upset at myself for being so Homer Simpson-slow on this sh-t. LOOK at the red flags, SEE them waving in the wind. DUH!!

I just need to be quicker on the uptake ... drives me nuts that at least a few times a year I get blindsided by women. No freaking way this should be happening at my age and with my extensive dating background. Right now I'm making Homer Simpson look like a genius!

Be on your toes ... expect the unexpected!

* You're right ... PRACTICE your responses. We study to do well in school, practice to do well in sports, we should PRACTICE to do better with women. Gotta go, I think the Special Ed. bus is leaving and they have a seat just for me! LOL!
 

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Lotsa good stuff on the mature board these days.

I'm the same way. I never see it coming, although most of the time in retrospect all of the signs were usually there, I simply failed to open my eyes. Most of the actions women take are easily anticipated. Shoulda woulda coulda.....I guess we just need to learn from our mistakes and TRY not to let it happen again.
 

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ill respectfully disagree.

i mean, i agree but also disagree.

heres the problem, women are so screwed up half the time that even the good ones show insane signs.

i mean, sometimes yes means yes and sometimes it means no. you can't always know.

sometimes a woman is playing hard to get, sometimes shes trying to tell you to get lost.

women aren't clear about what they want.

which is why, and this board says it over and over and over, STOP CARING ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT.

BE THE PRIZE.

stop worrying if you are doing what SHE wants, and start making her worry about whether she is doing what YOU want. because if she isn't then you're going to move on to find the woman who can give you what you want.

this works 99% of the time. Unless YOU are the nut case. then she'll just be thankful to get rid of you.

which is, once again, why you should focus on your life and getting yoru sh*t in order.

J
 

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I gotta be the only guy who can solve complex problems at work all day, go to a football game on the weekend and recognize the kind of coverage the defense is in before the snap, and do a good job of winning board games ... but can't see obvious female red flags in front of my face. LOL!

When it comes to matters of the heart, you gotta be quick on your feet, not expect things and not be disappointed when you're blind-sided.

It's best not to be logical and analytical, instead be instinctual and able to react calm emotionally in certain situations. I've dated a ton and still get lost on things ... thankfully sosuave and my cyber-homies are here to bail me out!
 

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Women who are interested in you wont confuse you.
 

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Rollo, can i append to that....

healthy mature women who are interested in you won't confuse you.

there are plenty of screwed up women who will be interested in you AND confuse you.

haha.

J
 

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Women who won't confuse you? That's about 1 out of 10,000 to be honest. Rollo, think back to your pre-married days ... how many women weren't confusing?

Agree with Joekerr, most women have no clue what they want. Look at their actions and words -- totally contradictory.
 

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Before I begin, let me just say I haven't read any of the PUA methodology, the DJ bible, or anyone else’s style, etc, because I've perfected my own through years of battles on the "front lines". Essentially, I’ve developed my style from watching human behavior (even children interact with each other), understanding genetics, studying a TON of philosophers/philosophies (eastern and western), studying different psychologists, traveling a ton, and through years and years of trial and error. I'm a fan of human behavior, and when you have a really good grasp of it, things tend to have a lot more clarity; it's a great way of somewhat "predicting" certain outcomes in “controlled” environments. They key is learning how to “control” your environment as best you can. That said, after reading this board the past week, I've noticed a few similarities between my style and that of others, but I also go against the grain on some things, in particular, the prescribed PUA approach to handling this.

JoeKerr and I have a similar approach here, however I'm a tad more hard-core. I'm a big fan of playing on a woman's insecurities in order to "turn the screw". Meaning, you have to punish their Psyche on a subconscious level to have them doubting themselves, and to really get them thinking about the way other people (men in general) view them. This is a method I've dubbed "medieval torture methods"

I take a purely Zen approach to situations like this, and the keys are 1. Preparation. 2. Discipline (very important). 3. Suppress all emotion and show restraint (important). 4. Patience. Two and three are EXTREMELY important, because they allow you to view the world through clear conscious eyes, not through the eyes of what you wish or want. When you view the world - or a particular women - through the eyes of wishes and wants, one tends to make emotional responses, which will oft-times cloud your judgment. The key is to stay in the realm of reality, show extreme restraint, and then be able to say to yourself in a split second, "If this were me, what would I not “expect” to hear from this person if gave that same response"? And, "What could this person say that would leave me completely flustered - what would put me at a loss for words"? And best yet (my own personal favorite), "What words would do the most damage to me psychologically"?

In her mind, she will have gone through many different scenarios (how you will react), and she will have acted some of them out. Once acting them out in her head, she will be prepared to have responses of her own that will be of either come in the emotional or verbal variety. That’s just how the mind works. So what do you do? Essentially, you do the "exact opposite" of what she would've expected. Give her a response the "average" mind does not prepare for.

Her: "I think you're a great guy, but I like you only as a friend, yada, yada". (At this point, her mind expects to see either one or a few of these responses: anger, confusion, sadness, shock, a phony laugh, questions of why, stuttering - stammering, nervousness, you kicking her to the curb and not wanting to be friends, or you acting like a COMPLETE @sshole pretending to not be bothered)

Me: <sighing with chuckle - and saying this in a very calm voice, with a slight smile> "Do you realize I've been racking my brain for the better part of three weeks trying to figure out a way to tell you the exact same thing ???" The key is to say this in a very calm voice, with strong eye contact; and for added effect, hold her hand whilst saying it. This adds to the pseudo sincerity.

Me: Cont'd "I've been speaking to Charles, Rick, and James about how I should tell you, and I even got a female perspective from Sarah and Jennifer (friends she's never met of course). They've all been through this recently, and they've been giving me advice. We all assumed you would be an mental wreck, given that you oft-times have an aura about you of being somewhat emotionally fragile - I hope you don't mind, but I did tell them a few personal things about you. But I must admit, I was terrified at how you would've responded because you remind us so much of our friend Dana who COMPLETELY lost it and went haywire after a guy she was dating told her he wanted to only be friends a few months back. But I’m really glad we’ve gotten past this”

By using this method, you will have accomplished a few important things. 1. You would’ve thrown her off kilter because this would have been a response her brain could never fathom. 2. You will have seared her emotionally because not only would you give her the perception of wanting to leave her first (important power play), you would’ve sent a subtle message to her that you think she’s “lacking” emotionally, and could be quite unstable. And not only do you have that perception, many others do as well, given that she know knows your friends” had similar thoughts. 3. Her self-esteem will tank, because lets be honest, who wants to hear that most people think they’re unstable? She’ll constantly wonder if “everyone” views her in a similar light, and she’ll spend the next few months – years even - seeking validation from anyone who’ll give it to her. And the beauty of this is, the more she thinks about what you said to her, and more importantly HOW you said it (calm demeanor and tone) the more it’ll grate at her. It’ll fester and continue to grow inside of her like a germ. 4. Here’s the genius of it all. She can’t respond angrily because you will have said it with such “sincerity”, and such ‘kindness. And remember, you just said all of your friends “expected” her to “lose it emotionally, so she won’t be able to play into your carefully contrived “stereotype”. All she can do is grit her teeth and bare it. And to pour salt and vinegar into her wounds, she will have already given you the “I think you’re such a great guy speech. The results? Complete mental flux – internal turmoil – and in the end, her blood will boil – nuclear meltdown.

After saying all of this, don’t even give her a chance to properly respond – it’ll keep her off- balanced. This is key, because her mind and body will need to adjust to what happened, and it will need to relieve themselves by getting more information. You want to leave her COMPLETELY hanging, so just say, “I’m glad we had this talk, but I gotta run”. And to turn the screw even more, before leaving, give her a really tight manly hug, and a kiss her on the cheek. Then look her square in the eye, and say, “Don’t be a stranger – remember we’re friends so call me sometimes - we’ll hang out – I got the first round of drinks”.
The result? You will have destroyed her ego, you will have shattered her self-esteem, and you will have cut from psyche all the power she “thought she had” with the precision of a surgeon. And you will have done all of this under the guise of being a “friend” who meant well. Medieval Torture methods my friends. Knight takes Queen. Checkmate!!

Or, if you are 100% certain she’s going to LJBF you, hit her with a preemptive strike, and LJBF her to get the upper hand by inacting medieval methodology. It’s even more powerful than the method above – but that’s another lesson, for another day.

He who loves/cares the least, or gives the "perception" of loving/caring the least (oh yes, it can be faked if you're disciplined), controls the relationship. Which means, said individual will also have the most power. And leaving with the most power is key. By using medieval methodologies in the scenarios mentioned above, you will have sent that powerful subconscious message.
 
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GREAT stuff Anti-DF!!

I'm going to re-read it because I kind of skimmed it, but it is top-notch stuff. You need to have more than 11 posts here.

I like you brought Zen and psychology into the mix. Please post here more often.

Like Rollo, you're the thinking man's DJ ... tremendous, thanks!

* For the record I did say, "Yeah, I thought we were just friends, too" ... but I like Anti's response better about talking with friends about it and so forth -- freaking beautiful. Rollo's post was awesome here, too.

Keep up the good posts, guys!
 

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Anti phil,

good post. I tend not to go so hard core, simply because i have an underlying belief that no one, especially no woman, is important enough to cause a hard core reaction in me.

but you're reaction would work and would definitely upset her.

either way, the basic solution is that if a woman gives you brush off, dont try to win her back, just walk away.

either she is testing you, and walking away will pass the test BIG time. OR she's lost interest and you'll never get her interest back being an AFC who kisses her ass in the hopes that she might care once again.

walking away is always the best method. you either cut your losses or you gain the upper hand.

J
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi

... By not reinforcing it her default response is shaken and the responsibility for the rejection is handed back to her where it belongs. By making this habit you increase you value as a commodity.
Is there some useful result?
Yes, her response is shaken, yes, the resposibility is handed back. But what would a guy gain???

If somebody's stomped on your foot and said "sorry", you would not run after her and would not try to stomp on her feet in order just to feel "the responsibility is handed back to her".

So what would a man gain - increase his value as a commodity? Hmm, but after LJBF it doesn't matter how she view him: valuable or not. It is over.

I like joeker's version much more.
 

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Originally posted by WestCoaster
I'm a deep thinker, but I'm often not quick on my feet. I've never known how to think quick in relation to women. I always think of my best lines after the fact ... couple years ago I got crapped on by some woman and it literally took me an hour's drive in my car to realize, "Hey, that wasn't right!"
I can relate to that. I am also tend to be a slow but deep thinker who is much better at hindsights.

What I think, do and going to do is to pause first.
If she says somehting you don't have a good answer for, but you must give her an answer - pause!
It doesn't matter that you were in the middle of a convo. Just pause. It is a very little price for a better answer.
Pause and try to come with something better.
Yes, the convo will not be smooth, but it is was not going to be smooth anyway after any kind of LJBF.
 

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Good point on the pausing, I think there's an article about it on this site.

I know all about being the "prize" I've heard it ad nauseum here and I say it myself. It's not about that, it's not about being bummed out because I'm not -- I'm spinning other plates right now. And I'm not worried about it.

It's about perfecting technique. You're 19, I won't take advice from a 19-year old, I've dated probably 60 more women in my lifetime than you, lived all over the place and had a world of different experiences.

Don't mean to slam, but really you shouldn't be here telling people to be the "prize" -- you're not old enough. Read the parameters of this board, 25 or older.
 

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Anti Dr Phil is a calculating fiend, I have to give him credit. Surprise is the problem. You can rehearse self defence techniques but then when you have to use them...

I think perhaps Anti Dr Phil could work out a good routine which exploits the code words being used. You could always pretend to be ignorant of the concept. Eg. "But we are friends aren't we? What are you talking about just being friends for?" A man is expected to understand that let's just be friends means don't try anything. If the discussion took place in those terms. "I don't want you to try anything." your response would probably be different.

LJBF is classic woman speak. They don't have the guts to be blunt. Want to wound but are afraid to strike. As someone else suggested, ask them exactly how they intend to go about being friends what they have in mind, and wait for an answer.
 

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Originally posted by al77
Is there some useful result?

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So what would a man gain - increase his value as a commodity? Hmm, but after LJBF it doesn't matter how she view him: valuable or not. It is over.
Al77 is correct here, is there really any benefit for YOU out of striking back the theatrically awesome way Dr. Anti suggested?

Personally I could see only one benefit - having your personal DJ ego boosted. It will ease the process of overcoming a failure in the game, but nothing more.

More to it, if the LJBF was a test or simply a product of woman's actual insecurity or mental mess, I'm afraid you won't pass it without causing a great damage. Discussing relationship internals with other friends, intimidating your woman in their eyes...quite a high possibility you will be backfired at then.

After all, I have yet to try and proof it in the field, but please elaborate anyone on what else do you gain from this way of handling LJBF?
 

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