"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Lol @HankHill he's married so that's a no go.

I did clear my throat and say "you need to move so that I can actually get to my keyboard....' and he moved but he'll still invade my space when he comes over. Lol

He's harmless but I can tell he's crushing on the pretty, extroverted, software engineer that seems to know her $hit. It happens, the stories I could tell, lol
Is he one of those close talkers?lol
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Those beetches banned you guys quickly and y'all have allowed me to stick around here for so long....

It's settled, you guys are swell!

I checked out the site before. I don't have time for the whiny females who make the exact same set of mistakes over and over and over, expecting it will be different this time. It makes me want to pull my long, soft, excellent smelling hair out of my head.

Hey, since I can't ask on loveshack.....what would you do if a co worker always invaded your personal space at your desk? Aka he sits SO close that you can't use one arm or your going to touch him/his arm, shoulder or body....? It's clearly deliberate, lol
I think he likes you.
 

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He's harmless but I can tell he's crushing on the pretty, extroverted, software engineer that seems to know her $hit. It happens, the stories I could tell, lol
Try being less "extroverted" (i.e. less of a flirt). Works like a charm.
 

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Most of the posters/moderators on LS are middle-aged women. You are getting advice from middle-aged divorcees, men too, on how to attract, court, and handle breakups "pursue them and let them know how much you care" etc. It's typically extremely poor and even harmful advice.

I wouldn't say they are militant feminists, however. They are just middle-aged women who were likely not very attractive as younger women and probably have only had experiences dating low SMV men. They advise and opine accordingly.

I believe it's possible to be red pill aware, and understand how attraction and female emotion works, while not being angry about it. A lot of red pill MGTOW 'truth' reeks of bitterness and resentment and it's not always appropriate in a forum where women go to cry over being dumped for a hotter girl.
I do agree that "red pill" has pushed some men to the far side, into extremism, as with any ideology.

Men should not allow themselves to be tied down with 1 particular linear line of thought.

Red pill is not an equation that requires linear thinking.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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That site is ran by women.

I pretty much know why this happens. There are bunch of women and when you write something that is not inline with beta thought, you get reported. Plus moderator is a woman. So in fact on that site you getting advice from women on how to properly date women.
Guys on there would have zero chance.
 

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I do agree that "red pill" has pushed some men to the far side, into extremism, as with any ideology.

Men should not allow themselves to be tied down with 1 particular linear line of thought.

Red pill is not an equation that requires linear thinking.
It requires conceptual thinking. It stunts creativity. I think of the whole genre as a concept. A playground.
 

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I do agree that "red pill" has pushed some men to the far side, into extremism, as with any ideology.

Men should not allow themselves to be tied down with 1 particular linear line of thought.

Red pill is not an equation that requires linear thinking.
To me the red pill is merely a necessary perspective for wholistic understanding, a cornerstone, not the arch. Going anywhere to preach single-minded Rollo Tomassi gospel to validate misogynist incel butthurt is going to come off as pathetic and irritate people. Reading through some threads there it doesn’t appear that LS is totalitarian blue pill, it’s just trying to offer comfort for grieving people, some of whom have been truly fvcked over, without any Tomassi-inspired misogyny. It’s a bad resource for dating and relationship advice, however, especially for men.

Once I became “red pill aware” it was a formula I followed rigidly, trying to totally shed my blue pill conditioning. I soon learned through heartbreak that women simply don’t put up with rigid formulaic “alpha” behavior any longer than they put up with weak submissive beta behavior. But I believe men need to know the extremes before they can calibrate properly.
 

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To me the red pill is merely a necessary perspective for wholistic understanding, a cornerstone, not the arch. Going anywhere to preach single-minded Rollo Tomassi gospel to validate misogynist incel butthurt is going to come off as pathetic and irritate people. Reading through some threads there it doesn’t appear that LS is totalitarian blue pill, it’s just trying to offer comfort for grieving people, some of whom have been truly fvcked over, without any Tomassi-inspired misogyny. It’s a bad resource for dating and relationship advice, however, especially for men.

Once I became “red pill aware” it was a formula I followed rigidly, trying to totally shed my blue pill conditioning. I soon learned through heartbreak that women simply don’t put up with rigid formulaic “alpha” behavior any longer than they put up with weak submissive beta behavior. But I believe men need to know the extremes before they can calibrate properly.
Rollo is no misogynist. He doesn't teach a formula. His books clearly state he doesn't offer a prescription.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Rollo is no misogynist. He doesn't teach a formula. His books clearly state he doesn't offer a prescription.
This is true. He doesn’t. When someone says something like that, you can be assured that they haven’t read much of him.

That being said, Rollo is a passive. Creative and his stuff is a great introduction into this world.
 

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Rollo is no misogynist. He doesn't teach a formula. His books clearly state he doesn't offer a prescription.
The formula I was referring to was a general attitude toward women and dating embodied by Alpha Male Strategies “never give women anything” etc. not necessarily Rollo Tomassi.

If Rollo Tomassi is not a misogynist, that isn’t clarified in his book. His tendency to rob women of individuality and agency and paint it all under the broad stroke “female imperative” brush, his bitter fixation on female hypergamy, his general portrayal of women as enemy automatons and men as hapless victims of their manipulation, and the overall indignant, angry tone throughout the book would indicate the guy has a problem with women. At least, he seems to have little love or affection for them.

I still consider it essential reading to gain that perspective and awareness. But it shouldn’t be seen as gospel.
 

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If Rollo Tomassi is not a misogynist, that isn’t clarified in his book. His tendency to rob women of individuality and agency and paint it all under the broad stroke “female imperative” brush, his bitter fixation on female hypergamy, his general portrayal of women as enemy automatons and men as hapless victims of their manipulation, and the overall indignant, angry tone throughout the book would indicate the guy has a problem with women. At least, he seems to have little love or affection for them.
Ok. This section right here.
There’s where you are proving that you haven’t read it from cover to cover. All of those things are observable to any non-retard observation.

IF you have read it cover to cover, you need to think about not spouting feminist and social conditioning phrases. It’s a dead giveaway. Your true stripes are showing.
 

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Ok. This section right here.
There’s where you are proving that you haven’t read it from cover to cover. All of those things are observable to any non-retard observation.

IF you have read it cover to cover, you need to think about not spouting feminist and social conditioning phrases. It’s a dead giveaway. Your true stripes are showing.
I am challenging you red pill totalitarian ideology, which you don’t like. You label my dissent with epithets denoting that I am an extremist feminist threat. I get how that works. People don’t like dissent.

That you recognized his misogynistic bent is readily observed by any layman would prove my point, no? Would requiring someone to read the book cover to cover offer any opposing insight?
 

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I am challenging you red pill totalitarian ideology, which you don’t like.
Not challenging anything. Hahaha I’m not in the Imperative. My vision is pan determined. Not ideological. In fact Rollo is a primer for fundamental understanding of observable female nature. Not a Bible. Only a leftist or a woman would say he is those things. Especially since he’s married and has a grown daughter. For good or bad he made it work.

If you want the real deal, read “The Manipulated Man”. The straight up perspective on women by a woman. It’s too advanced for guys just unplugging from the social structure.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Too bad I haven't even finish reading the Rational Male nor watched any of AMS materials, can't join in the discussions gents.
 

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Not challenging anything. Hahaha I’m not in the Imperative. My vision is pan determined. Not ideological. In fact Rollo is a primer for fundamental understanding of observable female nature. Not a Bible. Only a leftist or a woman would say he is those things. Especially since he’s married and has a grown daughter. For good or bad he made it work.

If you want the real deal, read “The Manipulated Man”. The straight up perspective on women by a woman. It’s too advanced for guys just unplugging from the social structure.
Read my earlier posts.

"To me the red pill is merely a necessary perspective for wholistic understanding, a cornerstone, not the arch."

"I still consider it essential reading to gain that perspective and awareness. "

So what's your problem?
 

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Sort of like how a 'nice guy' over-calibrates by being an a$$hole, so he can get comfortable with being selfish, with peer disapproval, with not giving a fvck, before re-calibrating somewhere back to the middle and becoming a truly attractive man. Men detoxing from the blue pill need to go red pill to understand that perspective of the truth, but need to re-calibrate back to the middle in order to become complete men. Rollo Tomassi is a splash of reality for blue pill men but does not present a balanced, fair viewpoint on women. That's my point.
 

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Read my earlier posts.

"To me the red pill is merely a necessary perspective for wholistic understanding, a cornerstone, not the arch."

"I still consider it essential reading to gain that perspective and awareness. "

So what's your problem?
I thought it was self evident. Never mind.
 

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In fact Rollo is a primer for fundamental understanding of observable female nature. Not a Bible.
We're clearly in agreement, so I'm just wondering what your "spouting feminist and social conditioning phrases" beef with me is. Because I don't like the book you like? I'll chalk it up to knee-jerk reaction.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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