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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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awkward silence during the first phone call

LoneRanger

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Yesterday I got a phone call from someone I met online. We had exchanged emails for a week. This was the first time we had ever spoke.

I was just headed out the door on my way to a concert in Detroit (110 miles away. a day long road trip for me) when she rang and was completely caught off guard.

The conversation went along well in the beginning but near the end there were moments where we stopped talking and unfortunately I filled it in with information on the concert I was going to and repeated the details of the place of the first date and it seemed to turn her off.

I probably sent off some nice guy red flags.

When a phone call goes dead quite like that again what do you suggest the best way to start the conversation up? Or do I just keep it short and close the phone call?

BTW, she is 34, never had kids, exercises daily, and a HB8. A rarity in my area and I don't want to mess this up any further. I NEVER see her kind around these parts.

Our first date is tomorrow, Saturday May 16th.
 

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

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Keep it short and sweet - arrange a meeting then get off of the phone.

If the conversation get awkward or silent - chances are your on the phone for to long a time.
 

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NewMan said:
Keep it short and sweet - arrange a meeting then get off of the phone.

If the conversation get awkward or silent - chances are your on the phone for to long a time.
Thanks for the advice. I should have cut it short. Will do the next time.
 

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LoneRanger said:
Thanks for the advice. I should have cut it short. Will do the next time.
You should have also used the "Hey, what about if I give you a call tomorrow? I am currently driving...blah, blah, blah."
 

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LoneRanger said:
BTW, she is 34, never had kids, exercises daily, and a HB8. A rarity in my area and I don't want to mess this up any further. I NEVER see her kind around these parts.

Pedestal!
 

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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

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Unless you have a great voice, great wit, and are quick with good humor and thoughts..I would stay off the phone.
 

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mrRuckus said:
Pedestal!
Not pedistal.

Plate. :up:

I posted this tread around the same time as this one. --> http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=145004 There are others at the gym I joined.


The only difference between her and them is she has no kids, a nice face and all over me (on the net, at least).

I just came back from Sears with $90 worth of new, tight non-wicking gym clothes that make me look like a superhero. ;)

The internet lady is a plate. :D
 

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After doing 60 minutes of cardio at the gym it cleared my mind up a bid.

I think I am putting her up on the pedastal to some extent. It is hard to think of her without having a mental picture of a photo that she sent of her laying on the bed with a "come hither" look.

Will keep off the net and listen to PUA podcasts all of tonight and just before our date tomorrow to clear up my head more.

I also have a feeling I might be stepping into a trap. She has been coming on to me WAY too easy and it seems too good to be true.

Thanks, guys.
 

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Dear Lone Ranger,
Without Tonto you are really lost aren't you?...A telephone can be sudden Death to a relationship in its embryonic days....Too easy to upset someone,to relate to a new found friend you need eye contact to see how she is receiving your messages and amend accordingly...Always establish a time frame and have a specific agenda in the early days and a second position if she can't oblige...."Hey just loved talking to you last night,I haven't got much time as I am late for an appointment you mentioned you were interested in seeing"The Painted Veil" well I intend to catch it at the Esseldo tonight at 6.45 why not be my guest?"Women are turned on by the fact that you lead a busy life and you get off the phone with dignity,in early stages don't change the time say you are going anyway you won't appear needy...Don't forget if things do get a bit strained,learn how to close your conversations...Like sorry I've got to tear I have Dance Practise in half an hour
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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