"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Average looking women who are a huge turn on.

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Ever experienced that oddity?

Very average looking, skinny, no chest. but for whatever reason she turns me on in a huge way.

One of my clients is doing that to me, but I don't $hit where I eat AND she's married.

Damn though...what I would do to her.....

I think it's her voice, energy when I'm around her and her odd sense of humor (She's European)
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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pdx1138 said:
Ever experienced that oddity?

Very average looking, skinny, no chest. but for whatever reason she turns me on in a huge way.

One of my clients is doing that to me, but I don't $hit where I eat AND she's married.

Damn though...what I would do to her.....

I think it's her voice, energy when I'm around her and her odd sense of humor (She's European)
Yes, and it has something to do with their scent. You probably are detecting that you'd have healthy offspring for whatever reason. The opposite can also happen. Sometimes the prettiest girls just don't turn you on at all.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When someone tells me that a girl I love isn't so hot, I'm happy. Less competition.
 

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i get the same feeling as well but that may be because i feel like average women are a good balance of having to work to please some men and also being slightly attractive the b1tch shield isn't always as obvious. Plus average women look more innocent and are easier to approach.
 

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She's only a client once in awhile, independent contractor.

If she wasn't married I'd hit it for sure. If I learn they are in an open marriage all restraint will be unleashed.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Please beware of these women....

Two experiences:

1. I dated a girl I thought to be cute, yet a little average in high school. If I may humble brag here for a minute, I was popular in high school...homecoming court and all that crap, but this girl was quiet and not popular. She essentially climbed the social latter seemingly by dating me and hanging out with my friends who were very popular. This girl was a nobody and then she became somebody - and she became VERY b-i-t-c-h-y and attention seeking. Started dressing better and more slutty...and it was a nightmare. Started flirting with guys behind me back. As soon as ditched her, her tailspin was ugly. Any attention from any dude, and she was all over them. Bad news.

2. The second experience was my ex-wife. Overweight, and probably a 4 or 5 when I met her, but she was soo sweet, soo caring, soo smart, I was instantly attracted. I thought she was a safe bet...you never want to marry a 9 or a 10! She starts losing a ton of weight to impress me and now she is at least an 8. Guys are checking her out now...and I feel proud. I propose, we get married, get a house. Then she turns into an raging *****, gains all of her weight back, pure misery.

She reveals she is on 3 to 4 different antidepressants. Reveals she is cluster B/bi-polar.....our marriage counselor feels she fits everything classified as Borderline Personality Disorder.

We divorce.

Don't be that turned on by AVERAGE. Some women are just the devil in disguise. Go hot or go home brother!
 

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expos said:
Please beware of these women....

Two experiences:

1. I dated a girl I thought to be cute, yet a little average in high school. If I may humble brag here for a minute, I was popular in high school...homecoming court and all that crap, but this girl was quiet and not popular. She essentially climbed the social latter seemingly by dating me and hanging out with my friends who were very popular. This girl was a nobody and then she became somebody - and she became VERY b-i-t-c-h-y and attention seeking. Started dressing better and more slutty...and it was a nightmare. Started flirting with guys behind me back. As soon as ditched her, her tailspin was ugly. Any attention from any dude, and she was all over them. Bad news.

2. The second experience was my ex-wife. Overweight, and probably a 4 or 5 when I met her, but she was soo sweet, soo caring, soo smart, I was instantly attracted. I thought she was a safe bet...you never want to marry a 9 or a 10! She starts losing a ton of weight to impress me and now she is at least an 8. Guys are checking her out now...and I feel proud. I propose, we get married, get a house. Then she turns into an raging *****, gains all of her weight back, pure misery.

She reveals she is on 3 to 4 different antidepressants. Reveals she is cluster B/bi-polar.....our marriage counselor feels she fits everything classified as Borderline Personality Disorder.

We divorce.

Don't be that turned on by AVERAGE. Some women are just the devil in disguise. Go hot or go home brother!
YOU sir, get repped for that statement! I agree 100%
 

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Mike32ct said:
Sure.

It's not all about physical looks. Take an average chick and add some charm, intelligence, and/or a hot accent, and she can be very attractive.
Interesting observation. To me, intelligence and accent are not turn-ons. They are not turn-offs either...just completely irrrelevant. If a girl is hot, she could be as dumb as a bag on nails and I'd still want to f*ck her. And if she's not hot, she could be a NASA scientist and still wouldn't pass the boner test. I would agree on the importance of charm, however.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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ha ha just now finished working with her for the day.

Eye contact through the roof and she blushed a bunch of times.

Fun stuff. (good practice for me)
 

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pdx1138 said:
Ever experienced that oddity?

Very average looking, skinny, no chest. but for whatever reason she turns me on in a huge way.

One of my clients is doing that to me, but I don't $hit where I eat AND she's married.

Damn though...what I would do to her.....

I think it's her voice, energy when I'm around her and her odd sense of humor (She's European)

With "average" women who aren't "perfect" looking but have nice bodies it's most likely because they put in more work in attracting a certain guy, have less of a broad appeal (less competition) and move/talk in a more sexual alluring way than some 10 who is used to getting attention off her looks only and having dudes run at her constantly which would not only produce more possible stress in a relationship but also that they tend to come off as equaling lame in the bedroom.

IE: Like someone who works for things in life rather than someone who is just given things. The first knows more of the value in things and the effort involved while the other sits around expecting more and delivers less if hardly anything.


Funny you mentioned this in a thread. A bunch of dudes were talking about it at my part time the other day. Some of the chicks who are less "perfect" with just as good bodies seem much more hotter and possibly better lays/ more fun chicks than those who stand around thinking they're some sort of model/ arm candy. While the "perfect" chick may be great to have short term you'd quickly start thinking: "Fvck off with your boring tired azz".

Like the saying goes no matter how "perfect" and hot a chick is there's some dude somewhere who's completely sick of her sh1t.
 

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I actually can relate to this.

Know a girl that has literally no bewbs , at all. Semi-nice ass but very cute face.

I'am incredibly attracted to her for some reason. I can't even understand why. Unfortunately , she's baptist or some strange religion like that. Sex before marriage is a no-go for her.

I believe attitude has something to do with this.

Average girl + sexy attitude = attractive & hot.
Sexy girl + no attitude = ...well,nothing.
 

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I've been attracted to plenty of average or slightly better than average chicks.....

This might sound completely strange to everyone in this thread:

But when asked what attracts me most about a woman: my answer is normally her sexual vibe... I can almost sense how they'd be in bed.... Hell, i can almost tell you what her pvssy looks like before ever seeing it.... A lot of this is physical features and the way she caries herself, combined with her bubbliness, etc. But I just call it her "sexual vibe".

It works in opposite ways too. I remember there was this girl I worked with. Probably (at least) a HB8 in the average man's eyes. Blonde hair, blue eyes, on the tall side, nice body; had done some amateur modeling..... She was VERY into me..... So much so, that one of my co-workers said to me, "You better hit that man, she's falling all over you." My answer was, "nah... I'll pass... She's too boring in bed."
 

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Bokanovsky said:
Interesting observation. To me, intelligence and accent are not turn-ons. They are not turn-offs either...just completely irrrelevant. If a girl is hot, she could be as dumb as a bag on nails and I'd still want to f*ck her. And if she's not hot, she could be a NASA scientist and still wouldn't pass the boner test. I would agree on the importance of charm, however.
I totally understand. I know I'm in the minority on this one :). I find certain non-physical traits attractive, but I know that's not typical for men.

Notwithstanding, the boner test still controls.

I mean if a chick who just barely passes the boner test had certain non-physical traits, I'd hit it if I could.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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i think is great man so what if she has no chest or butt if she is pretty go for it...

EDIT:

Mike what is the boner test?
 

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looks and sexual vibe...for LTR has to have those and be a seemingly good person with good humor and intelligence
 

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I think someone mentioned this before but with average-cute chicks you need to be a little more cautious with the C/F neg type stuff. One girl I think I overdid it with will not talk to me anymore. Not that it was a big loss anyway.
 

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I don't think the OP was attracted to the girl because she average. More like in spite of it. There was something about her, she had some sort of quality that made her sexually attractive. I know exactly what he's talking about.

expos said:
you never want to marry a 9 or a 10!
I agree you should never marry a 9 or 10. But any woman is capable of putting the knife in your back, no matter how unattractive she is. They are fickle by nature. Actually, in the current culture, I can't recommend marrying anyone.

Uncharted said:
I think someone mentioned this before but with average-cute chicks you need to be a little more cautious with the C/F neg type stuff. One girl I think I overdid it with will not talk to me anymore. Not that it was a big loss anyway.
Good for her. Shows she's too intelligent to buy into that stupid "neg" ****, which is nothing but manipulative behavior.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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