"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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According to a recent study, the average Sugar Daddy (with an average income of $250,000) spends $51,000 PER YEAR on their Sugar Baby!! That's about $1000 per week, and most is in the form of a direct cash "allowance" of $3000 per month! It's also over 20% of his annual income! There are probably additional expenses for gifts. It's about $500 per visit, or what a hooker charges.

Meanwhile, some men will say that if you bought your girlfriend a $200 TV last Christmas that makes you a Sugar Daddy! Funny. To clarify, Sugar Babies cost more than Cable.

How much do you spend on your girlfriend per month? My 4 year dating budget average is less than 2% of my income.
 
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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When a girl tries to use sex to leverage free things, I'm done. I walk. Doesn't matter if I can easily afford it, I don't pay or trade for sex.

I buy this time, I expect her to buy next time. She needs a favor, I expect one in return.

Meanwhile, some men will say that if you bought your girlfriend a $200 TV last Christmas that makes you a Sugar Daddy!
Only if she doesn't reciprocate. If you buy her a $200 TV and she gets you a pair of socks... you're probably being used.
 

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A woman doesn't logically think of what you make versus what you spend on her. It's based on what she is used to or how much she makes. So if she makes 20,000 a year and you make 250,000 a year and spend $500 a month on her, she still is going to feel like that is a lot of money and look at you as the dude who buys her stuff
 

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such men are complete fools. there's plenty of superb pvssy around for MUCH less than that. a very few years of what they waste on pvssy, you can retire, man.
 

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This is always a strange topic to discuss. It's easy to say i'm never going to pay for puzzy WTF. But the truth is that most dudes have to pay something to keep a girl around in one way or another, particularly when you get older. Just letting a girl live with you for free means you are technically paying her half of the rent, food, time invested... all of that counts as soon as you start seeing her more often. Spending time with a girl is an expense the sugar daddy doesn't even have to pay. Sugar daddy comes and goes as he pleases and gets laid in the process, all of his time is 100% his to do what he wants. Can you put a price on your freedom? Even just picking up girls in bars costs time and money and you're getting bar trash anyways. Marriage? Let's not even go into what that ends up costing a dude. I mean sure if things go well and you have a beautiful life it's all worth it, but things don't always go that way now do they?


In concept I agree it sounds horrendous and I would never do that just to get laid. But the truth is that most of us are not doing much better. We end up paying more, investing more time and get a bunch or headaches and in the end you know it all started because you just wanted some azz in the first place. It's complicated, but one point of view is not much different than the other when you look at them both objectively.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Then why not get a woman who spends money on you? It's better that she spends money on you. But after a while they can get stingy and entitled.
 

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US women, forget it, A foreigner, until she gets US citizenship, yeah, you can get paid. but all bets are off once she's a citizen
 

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When a woman supports a man it's not like it is when a man supports a woman. She will throw that in your face every chance she has. Try having some friends over and see how she treats you like a biitch so they all know who the boss is. LOL no thank you i'll pay my own way thx.
 

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When a woman supports a man it's not like it is when a man supports a woman. She will throw that in your face every chance she has. Try having some friends over and see how she treats you like a biitch so they all know who the boss is. LOL no thank you i'll pay my own way thx.
Funny. I've had a relationship where the woman paid way more money into the relationship than me and the negative things you described never happened. Why would you allow her to treat you like a b1tch? Even the last woman I saw spent money, hotel rooms, dinners, drove me around, and she never treated me in the way you described. I mean sure she would attempt to throw it in my face, but **** that.
 

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Funny. I've had a relationship where the woman paid way more money into the relationship than me and the negative things you described never happened. Why would you allow her to treat you like a b1tch? Even the last woman I saw spent money, hotel rooms, dinners, drove me around, and she never treated me in the way you described. I mean sure she would attempt to throw it in my face, but **** that.
Speaking personally, every time I see a woman contributing more it comes with an element of control and dominance from her and always in a very overt way in front of other people. Does this apply to EVERY single female/male relationship that fits this? Of course not to make a generalization like that makes any statement wrong. We can just sit here and argue like a bunch of idiots about whose right forever, when the simple truth is that were both right.


Even you admit that she did try that on you by stating "I mean sure she would attempt to throw it in my face, but **** that.". Did she do it more than once? If you didn't do the things she wanted you to do would she get exaggeratedly upset? Did she ever say anything related to being the main financier of your relationship in front of people? little quips maybe? Did you just ignore her when she would do it, or be dominant tell her not to do that in front of people? Because saying "fuuck that" to me kinda sounds like you had to just ignore it every time she did it.


When I was younger I was seeing this gorgeous girl, family with money, huge cans, super cool chick too. I went to her house to hang and saw her mother who was the bread winner treat her older father with total disrespect like he couldn't even wipe his own ass. Dude just sat there and did a "fuuuck that" later on he took us out on his boat and he was very capable. He was just accepting that treatment from her. Such a distaste for that grew within me I never called that girl back and vowed to never allow myself in a situation like that. She was brought up like that and I wanted nothing to do with it. I don't care how much money a girl or her family has, I pay my own way and want nothing to do with it. My pride is more important than a handout to me.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Speaking personally, every time I see a woman contributing more it comes with an element of control and dominance from her and always in a very overt way in front of other people. Does this apply to EVERY single female/male relationship that fits this? Of course not to make a generalization like that makes any statement wrong. We can just sit here and argue like a bunch of idiots about whose right forever, when the simple truth is that were both right.


Even you admit that she did try that on you by stating "I mean sure she would attempt to throw it in my face, but **** that.". Did she do it more than once? If you didn't do the things she wanted you to do would she get exaggeratedly upset? Did she ever say anything related to being the main financier of your relationship in front of people? little quips maybe? Did you just ignore her when she would do it, or be dominant tell her not to do that in front of people? Because saying "fuuck that" to me kinda sounds like you just ignored it.


When I was younger I was seeing this gorgeous girl, family with money, huge cans, super cool chick too. I went to her house to hang and saw her mother who was the bread winner treat her older father with total disrespect like he couldn't even wipe his own ass. Dude just sat there and did a "fuuuck that" later on he took us out on his boat and he was very capable. He was just accepting that treatment from her. Such a distaste for that grew within me I never called that girl back and vowed to never allow myself in a situation like that. She was brought up like that and I wanted nothing to do with it. I don't care how much money a girl or her family has, I pay my own way and want nothing to do with it. My pride is more important than a handout to me.
Never overly upset by any means. One thing she constantly nagged was that I smoke. She'd also say stuff like "baby can you shave your chest?" And I laughed at her.

I see what your saying though. Ultimately if it's long term it's going to end up fvcked up. They get mad when they do so, so much for you with the expectation of you some how changing for them.

I pretty much just assume at this point any relationship I'm in has an end date and I most certainly will make sure I have the upper hand when it does expire.

Guess the reason is with the last one I never had any intention to have a ltr.
 

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Yeah it totally applies more to longer term relationships. No problem getting a girl to spend more than me for a couple months of dating. It's after you move in together that it really starts to kick in.
 

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Funny. I've had a relationship where the woman paid way more money into the relationship than me and the negative things you described never happened. Why would you allow her to treat you like a b1tch? Even the last woman I saw spent money, hotel rooms, dinners, drove me around, and she never treated me in the way you described. I mean sure she would attempt to throw it in my face, but **** that.
Sprayac, how much did you take home this week? I took home $5270.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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