"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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She's not wrong though, This incel movement started from a website called Puahate which eventually evolved into Sluthate after one of it's users was behind the isla Vista shootings.
The site has another offshoot called lookism. Today we have more incels then ever before.
I don't remember it that way. There were forum websites like this one that have existed since 2005 (which I was banned at least twice from, and actually met a black girl and went out with her briefly, from there too). I don't recall Puahate as being an "incel" board, or was that in my radar at that time, or was even discussed much on whatever incel forum I was in.

What I remember is some guy put up some website that contained allot of pages with some common sense advice with meeting women, and it had a link to a forum. There was another incel website made up after that one at the time. There was also a wikipedia page of it. So, unless there is a Mandela Effect or something going on here, your version is definitely not what I remember. There were some colourful characters on it, like a guy from England who complained he had too much social anxiety to visit a prostitute.

In terms of there being more incels today than before, I don't think a movie like 40 Year Old Virgin would mean anything today and would probably be a flop compared to the mid 00s when the zeitgeist at the time support those type of movies.
 

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Pua hate was a series of incel that tried 1 pickup and gave up. like the guy who ran people over in Germany.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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The article summed up:
"2 psychopaths killed a bunch of people, therefore men are trash, it's all Mystery's fault!"
They seriously take a single solitary nutcase and brand the entire RP as murderers. That was a painful read, and why I never could read Medium.

I'm sure it's out there somewhere else but does anyone know the story with the Roosh legalized r*** brouhaha? Did he actually say that **** or did they latch on to some weird comment and twist it into something else?
 

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I don't recall Puahate as being an "incel" board, or was that in my radar at that time, or was even discussed much on whatever incel forum I was in.
I read the PUAHate forum once in awhile for entertainment value. One of the main things that struck me was how similar their advice was to the regular red pill sites. They seemed to be saying a lot of the same things, but they had a bigger dose of cynicism.

The other thing I remember is there was a lot of funny snarking about the major players/seduction companies of the day.
 

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I read the PUAHate forum once in awhile for entertainment value. One of the main things that struck me was how similar their advice was to the regular red pill sites. They seemed to be saying a lot of the same things, but they had a bigger dose of cynicism.

The other thing I remember is there was a lot of funny snarking about the major players/seduction companies of the day.
Then its the first blackpill site?
 

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some people use sites like these for hate some dont it was bound to happen anyone remember neil strauss?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Then its the first blackpill site?
I'd call it the first maroonpill site - but yes, it seems that virtually all blackpillers have tried PUA, which of course did not work for them.
 

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I'd call it the first maroonpill site - but yes, it seems that virtually all blackpillers have tried PUA, which of course did not work for them.
Just curious here, why do you think it didn't work for them?
 

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Just curious here, why do you think it didn't work for them?
In order to **** a girl. you need to:
  • Assume she likes you (even if she didn't look your way or gave you any indicators that she might like you).
And she needs to be:
  • Attracted to you (she may have not noticed you ("no indicator that she might like you" ) cuz she was on her phone texting her friends/looking for her friends/reading a book, when you went up to her).
  • Sexually Available (no boyfriend/husband (but even if she do got a boyfriend, she's not really THAT into him).
Those are the prerequisites.

All that's left is letting her know through your words and actions, that you're someone who gets it. and then taking her home.

(from there, only thing that prevent it from going down is getting ****blocked by logistics/friends).

Why it didn't work out for the blackpillers (or anyone else) is cuz they didn't do or have any of the above prerequisites.
 
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Whatever. What can we start calling women who are involuntarily single? Inmaids?

True, they won't often resort to violence like some angry incels. But maybe it's time to start marginalizing them just as equally. For equality.
If a guy fails its his full responsibility wheter its on his everyday tasks or with women.

If a woman fails its never her fault wheter its job related (gender discriminations) or with men (men are _add random insult_).
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Why it didn't work out for the blackpillers (or anyone else) is cuz they didn't do or have any of the above prerequisites.
So the formula is 1) you have to think she likes you, and 2) She has to be attracted to you.
This kind of proves the blackpillers right, because if they are not attractive, that eliminates the second prerequisite.

Of course, if they have a crappy attitude (including about themselves), that helps kill #2 also.
 

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So the formula is 1) you have to think she likes you, and 2) She has to be attracted to you.
This kind of proves the blackpillers right, because if they are not attractive, that eliminates the second prerequisite.

Of course, if they have a crappy attitude (including about themselves), that helps kill #2 also.
I agree completely that a bad attitude would prevent #1. If the guy has a negative/defeatist attitude, then certainly it would be difficult for him to "assume attraction." #1 necessarily requires optimism.

As for a bad attitude affecting #2, I'm not so sure.

Women can be attracted to jerks and angry/violent men, but if a (physically) less attractive guy is a bit quiet/negative/depressed, suddenly his ATTITUDE is the cause of women not being attracted lol. I have a hard time squaring up both of those in my mind.

TLDR: I think women judge a guy's looks first and his vibe/attitude second. If you don't pass the first, the second is rendered moot. Even if you do pass the first, the second is not so critical.
 
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If you hesitantly approach a chick who likes your look, thinking she wouldn't go for you, you'll end up messing it up.

If you approach a chick who doesn't like your look/isn't sexually available, thinking she'd go for you, you'll end up getting rejected.

The blackpillers who got nowhere with PUA mainly failed here.

The ones who got passed this stage, messed it up by doing a bad job conveying to girls that they're someone who gets it.

don't see anything controversial about this.
 

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Women can be attracted to jerks and angry/violent men, but if a (physically) less attractive guy is a bit quiet/negative/depressed, suddenly his ATTITUDE is the cause of women not being attracted lol.
Good point. I was thinking more in the terms of a guy's attitude maybe affecting his hygiene, grooming, and body language, and maybe coming off as bitter and insecure. It's such a feedback loop. Guys who are physically unattractive get negative feedback, which makes them less confident, which makes them less attractive, which makes them less confident. More attractive guys get positive feedback, which makes them more confident, which makes them more attractive, etc.

The ones who got passed this stage, messed it up by doing a bad job conveying to girls that they're someone who gets it.
Okay, so now you have to 1) Be liked, 2) Be attractive, and 3) Show that you "get it".
 

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Good point. I was thinking more in the terms of a guy's attitude maybe affecting his hygiene, grooming, and body language, and maybe coming off as bitter and insecure. It's such a feedback loop. Guys who are physically unattractive get negative feedback, which makes them less confident, which makes them less attractive, which makes them less confident. More attractive guys get positive feedback, which makes them more confident, which makes them more attractive, etc.
Agreed. I was thinking more in terms of women trying to "mind-read" the guy. But yes, it can definitely physically show as well through poor hygiene, slumped posture and many other things; and that is certainly a turn off.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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