Attraction dynamics within various peer groups

[STR8UP]

Recently I have noticed something that fascinates me that I'm trying hard to understand.

I don't think we have talked about this much in the past, but it's very interesting to me how attraction works within a given peer group.

For example, I essentially have three groups that I associate with that are made up primarily of women. (I know, female friends are bad, blah, blah.) In each group of women I have begun to look at the dynamics of how certain women seem to become attracted to me and some of my friends.

The first group is centered around a chick I dated for awhile last year. She has since moved away and gotten married, but I still hang out with her friends from time to time.

The second group is centered around my AW friend.

The third group revolves around a good male friend of mine. This is the REALLY interesting one. It actually splits into three sub groups- one centers around my buddy himself, another his EX g/f, and the third his CURRENT g/f.

With group #1 I feel like I have been marked, like there's a big X painted on my forehead that prevents any of the women in this group from having any kind of attraction towards me. It's like even though the chick I dated is gone and has moved on with her life, the women still see me as "off limits". Of course it could just be that I am not attractive to any of them, but I believe it goes deeper than that in that I get a sense of distance from these women that seems to stem from my past relationship with their friend.

With group #2 things get a little more interesting. As I said, this group centers around my AW friend, and we all know that with an AW the spotlight always has to be on them. With her friends I don't sense the same distance I do from group #1, but at the same time her friends aren't all clamoring to hook up with me. Again, this could very well have to do with a lack of attraction.

Which brings us to group #3. This is where things get good.

My buddy is the reason why this entire group exists, but I haven't gotten any play directly because of him that I can remember.

His current g'f is the one who tries to hook me up with her friends. I haven't gotten a whole lot of action through her either, although it has happened.

His ex on the other hand is a big part of the reason for this thread. For some reason (and this is what I'm trying to figure out) it seems like almost ALL of this girls friends have taken an interest in me. With some of them I sense hesitation which probably stems from the fact that my buddy's ex has a thing for me, but I still get the vibe nonetheless.

I believe that the turning point for all of this came shortly after this girl moved back into town and started hanging out with us, and one night I ended up hooking up with her best friend. That night she was PISSED. I was in the jacuzzi with her friend and she flipped me off and stormed out and left, but the next day she was cool about it, and from that point on it put things into an entirely different frame.

Now I COULD be imagining some of this, but I live by the rule that says "If you think she's interested, she probably is". Generally when you sense attraction it is either TRUE attraction, or it's simply a woman looking for attention leading you on, which I don't get from any of these women.

So what is it that is working in my favor with this particular group of women?

I have tried to make sense of this dynamic so I can put it to use elsewhere, but it is difficult for me to put a finger on.

Could it be the fact that the "hub" of this group has attraction, and that I managed to create the proper frame when I hooked up with her friend right in front of her? I'm thinking it has something to do with that. Once I established this I had the social proof of TWO women in the group, neither of which could make any sort of "claim" on me. From there on it was just a matter of both of these women talking me up to the rest of the group, and BAM! I'm in with all of them. Also, I'm sure that the COMPETITIVE nature of women has something to do with it as well. If one wants you, many want you. If none want you, you become that much more invisible.

A couple of interesting things to note about this last group-

1) The "hub" is about 27 or so, but the rest of the group is 21-23.

2) Come to find out, my buddy is still fukking her. I'm sure this plays into the idea that she has no "claim" on me.

Thoughts?

 

[skirtChaser]

sounds like you like drama

 

[MacAvoy]

I would drop the first two groups and replace them with new ones where you can get attraction going.

Did you say your buddy is still banging his ex?

 

[STR8UP]

No. I don't like drama. If you deal with women it's bound to happen from time to time though.

Yes, I said my buddy is banging his ex, although neither will admit it to me.

Given a choice I would always rather hang out with group #3, but she's pretty unreliable as far as going out, so it's usually a once a month kind of thing.

The first group I don't spend much time with. My business partner is in the same situation in that group since the best friend of the chick I dated has the hots for him. So when we do meet up with them we usually cut it short if we're looking for something more "fun"

With group #2 I MIGHT have pulled a similar transition as I did with #3. A few weeks ago I hooked up with her friend, and things have been a little different since then. Last night I met up with them and for the first time when I was around the AW brought a male "friend" who she seemed kinda close to. That's the first time in eight years I have seen her with a dude, and it just so happens to be right after I hook up with her friend?

Sounds like a little more than a coincidence, and it looks to me as if I shifted the frame with her as well. Before there was always an implied sexual undercurrent between us. Seems like I broke that when her friend stayed the night the first time.

I think I'm on to something here. I haven't gotten too close with the AW's friend as of this point. Maybe I can work the second group into a feeding frenzy as well

 

[joekerr31]

str8up, have you ever applied to be on MTV's the Real World? I'm telling ya dude, you're a natural fit (not saying that in a bad way).

 

[STR8UP]

str8up, have you ever applied to be on MTV's the Real World? I'm telling ya dude, you're a natural fit (not saying that in a bad way).

I think the cutoff age might be, say, 23??? I'm not even close....haha

C'mon fellas.....this is a serious question!

We have been delving deep into uncharted territory around here lately and as much wisdom as I think I have I can't peg this one down. Help a brotha out!

 

[jonwon]

With group #1 I feel like I have been marked, like there's a big X painted on my forehead that prevents any of the women in this group from having any kind of attraction towards me. It's like even though the chick I dated is gone and has moved on with her life, the women still see me as "off limits". Of course it could just be that I am not attractive to any of them, but I believe it goes deeper than that in that I get a sense of distance from these women that seems to stem from my past relationship with their friend.

This group is in essence where you will see most success.

I have seen this first hand, I know a mate who when he left his wife, he remand friends with his ex wife’s friends, he has so far fuc*ed virtually all of them and is now dating the youngest one of them, not bad for a guy who is 45 going out with a 27 year old stunner.

Anyway, the reason for this is rather simple.

You or my mate in the same example, have already been given the ‘green light’ by women, it goes back to the principle of social proof, you have already been proofed by one of your Girlfriends.

Also guys and girls operate totally different, men tackle this from a mans angle from a status of logic and fairness to the other guy, hence if it was a girl in a group of guy mates, where by she met them through a now ex-bf, the guys who are still his mates, would either not go out with the chick or if they do, they wont close her, it’s an unwritten code of conduct between good mates.

Women don’t really have mates such has men do, women trade in there mates has they trade in there shoes, Chris Rock makes a perfect example of this in some of his stand-up.

Girls operate on ‘what they can get for themselves’, hence women are in all respects more self centered on average then most men, so most of that first group, I would guarantee most if not all those girls are sizing you up to see how you fit in there shoes, it also shows you have one up on the ex gf also.

BUT.

This is normally when the guy leaves the women, if the guy was dumped i.e rejected, there is normally a different thing at play which is normally pity at the poor fool who could not pass the women test, but if you did the ‘dirty’ the inbred ‘bitc*’ that most women have ( I don’t care who they are, every women is a bitc*, just ask OTHER WOMEN, especially where other women are involved ), she will feel the only more better knowing she has one up on her mate, even if her mate never finds out.

Hence back to my mate, his Ex-wife does not know of his exploits or his current GF, but this did not stop all her mates from jumping his bones when he let the opportunity present itself.

You’d be surprised at the things I see.

The 3rd group you will or could get it on, but this would be in a wingman capactity, unless ofc you prove to be more populer then your mate, but if i wanted something from that group i would play second fiddle to my mate, instead of grab the attention for the sake of it, he is your ace card in the hole, use him well and it may pay off for you, hence a good mate never ever ever tries to chat up the same women, they always provide back-up for the girls friend if she has one, if she does not he focused his attention elsewhere, but never ever on his mates already taken ground, a good mate or wing (the term not coined by me) will back the guy up, since the return is best with this investment.

The more social proof you give him (without seeming to kiss as*) the better it is for YOU since after all why would such a cool guy go round with a looser? He wouldn't hence the better he looks the better YOU look.

Thats why i laugh at men or boys competing with each other (especcially so called mates) over the same peice of ass, there only lowering each others social value. These types of men usually go home alone to wan*, the succesful ones have solid mates to back them up and make them appear to be a great catch.

My best mate who has slept with more women then any guy i have ever known, when ever i pull he will make an effort to approach the girl and tell her that she has made a great catch and i do the same for him, always 'proof' mates, it pays off in so many ways.

Also i would ignore skirtchaser, he seems like a first class twa*.

Group two, i dont think you have any value over the fact your in the 'safe zone' hence 'abandon hope all who enter here', friend zone, no man i know who enters the friend zone willingly is seen attractive to other women, unless ofc the women wants him has a friend to try to get in his pants, which is rare but does happen, if that is the case she will be talking about him to all her mates and trying to find ways to 'catch him' hence her mates are then 'invested'.

Also my mate managed to sleep with these women since he simply got them alone away from the other mates and the more these women brag or dont brag the better it is for him.

This is an unwritten rule for men that most dont want you to know about, i think being a sexy guy or a playe* having the subtle suggestion of that is a powerful sex aid, but has to be used right, just like a rich guy with a flash car, the ones who brag fail, the ones who dont need to but 'know' they have options are like chick magnets.

Most girls will state the dont want a player and most girls dont, but most girls love a challange and mystery (i learned this from my sister which is gospel) and players provide the most challange and mystery, hence alot of girls secretly want to have the power to be able to finaly ensnare the player, type guy, there is no bigger compliment to her attraction, validation to know she was the one who managed to 'hook' him, this to alot of women is like finding the pot at the end of the rainbow, hence subtle covert player type stuff pays off, the twa*s who think there players and 'brag' about it to prove something to women get no where, there not a challange, just simply a 'try hard'.

To all intents and purposes this dynamic is the reason my mates including I have had alot of success, most men dont want to seem to be a player since they 'fear' what people think, when the fact is 'women' do gravitate towards these guys and it has its roots firmly inbeded in 'attraction', sexy sons and sexy daughters who will attract more mates, hence keeping there gene pool in the mix, it all makes sense when you think about it.

 

[STR8UP]

This group is in essence where you will see most success.

I have seen this first hand, I know a mate who when he left his wife, he remand friends with his ex wife’s friends, he has so far fuc*ed virtually all of them and is now dating the youngest one of them, not bad for a guy who is 45 going out with a 27 year old stunner.

Anyway, the reason for this is rather simple.

You or my mate in the same example, have already been given the ‘green light’ by women, it goes back to the principle of social proof, you have already been proofed by one of your Girlfriends.

So then it would stand to reason that the women in this group are not attracted to me.

The funny thing about this group is that this is the chick who always goes on and on about how good the sex was, right in front of everyone in the group. Last time she did that she said to all of her girls (in front of me) "You really should try it sometime! Just kidding. Actually, I'm not kidding....you SHOULD try it sometime....."

Now these are mostly older women (early 30's) and I'm not really attracted to any of them, but it's interesting to contrast the lack of interest I get from this group as opposed to the third group. It's like night and day.

Girls operate on ‘what they can get for themselves’, hence women are in all respects more self centered on average then most men,

I agree. And I wish more guys could see this cause they seem to fall for the trickery that disguises a woman's true nature. Behind the beautiful facade lies ugly truth. Most guys would rather live in denial. I did for years.

This is normally when the guy leaves the women, if the guy was dumped i.e rejected, there is normally a different thing at play which is normally pity at the poor fool who could not pass the women test, but if you did the ‘dirty’ the inbred ‘bitc*’ that most women have ( I don’t care who they are, every women is a bitc*, just ask OTHER WOMEN, especially where other women are involved ), she will feel the only more better knowing she has one up on her mate, even if her mate never finds out.

Technically she "dumped" me, but it wasn't due to lack of attraction. (She wanted to get married and latched onto a guy who was ready, willing, and able, cause she knew that guy wasn't me) That's why I say it's so important to never let a woman lose attraction for you. It will fukk up your game in so many ways. Even if you do part ways as long as she still shoots you that longing glance from time to time, you're money with her and possibly her group. If you part ways after killing her attraction, NOBODY in the group wants anything to do with you.

The 3rd group you will or could get it on, but this would be in a wingman capactity, unless ofc you prove to be more populer then your mate, but if i wanted something from that group i would play second fiddle to my mate, instead of grab the attention for the sake of it, he is your ace card in the hole, use him well and it may pay off for you,

The thing is, I have free reign over this group since he has a g/f AND his ex around, so he basically tries to toss anything over to me if he can.

Thats why i laugh at men or boys competing with each other (especcially so called mates) over the same peice of ass, there only lowering each others social value.

Men who do this are like women. I will never compete over a chick. I kow a couple of guys who would do this in a second, and it's pitiful.

 

[jonwon]

So then it would stand to reason that the women in this group are not attracted to me.

The funny thing about this group is that this is the chick who always goes on and on about how good the sex was, right in front of everyone in the group. Last time she did that she said to all of her girls (in front of me) "You really should try it sometime! Just kidding. Actually, I'm not kidding....you SHOULD try it sometime....."

Now these are mostly older women (early 30's) and I'm not really attracted to any of them, but it's interesting to contrast the lack of interest I get from this group as opposed to the third group. It's like night and day.



I agree. And I wish more guys could see this cause they seem to fall for the trickery disguises a woman's true nature. Behind the beautiful facade lies ugly truth. Most guys would rather live in denial. I did for years.



Technically she "dumped" me, but it wasn't due to lack of attraction. (She wanted to get married and latched onto a guy who was ready, willing, and able, cause she knew that guy wasn't me) That's why I say it's so important to never let a woman lose attraction for you. It will fukk up your game in so many ways. Even if you do part ways as long as she still shoots you that longing glance from time to time, you're money with her and possibly her group. If you part ways after killing her attraction, NOBODY in the group wants anything to do with you.



The thing is, I have free reign over this group since he has a g/f AND his ex around, so he basically tries to toss anything over to me if he can.



Men who do this are like women. I will never compete over a chick. I kow a couple of guys who would do this in a second, and it's pitiful.

Yes it is and most guys do it, hence why some men get to sleep with alot of women, since most men are competing with there best mates over the same skirt, this goes back to the scarscity mentality.

If the girl dumped you, i would be thinking is she paying you those compliments to boost your ego, since she probably thinks you need some sense of ego boost becuase she hurt your pride when she left you?
If so you wont be generating attraction in that group, simply because behind your back they will have the idea that your a guy who needs the validation and attention in terms of cheap compliments to feed your ego, on the other hand if it was a statement of fact that was not intended to feed your ego but was simply a statement of truth then its fine, but in that respect, this tactic is classic chess move in the dating game, it goes like this:

BF, GF has a male friend, the BF is not comfortable with it, does he act possesive jelouse of controlling or does he do a swift judo text book move and encourage his GF to interact with the male friend and even joke about sexual acts, much like your GF is doing, hence showing higher status then the other guy, hence not fazed effected or jelouse, hence if she cheats, he can walk if she does not, he has increased her IL since he has shown he does not even see the other guy has a threat, even though inside he his *****ing himself, but to get his gf attention back he does the reverse of the normal, get jelouse and controlling and only further push her away.

In a way you Ex could be using a similier situation, she may have some emotional investment still in you, so to protect that she encourages her mates to sleep with you, to see there actions and yours, hence her mates are put on the spot and the situation is difused, especcially when she is using it in such a jokey care-free manner, remember girls have the slu* shield up so what better way to drop the fuc8 line in there, to detract her mates from going ahead with it.

Now if you was naked on a bed giving it to her up her dirt box and one of her mates walked in and she asked them to join in, it would be a different matter.

But anyway these are a few things that came to my mind on reading your post

 

[STR8UP]

If the girl dumped you, i would be thinking is she paying you those compliments to boost your ego, since she probably thinks you need some sense of ego boost becuase she hurt your pride when she left you?

I've thought about that but I doubt it. The comments go all the way back to when I was fukking her, and it also came out of her friends mouth so i know they were talking about it without me being present.

Besides....I know I'm good dammit!

I do get a sense of "remorse" if you can call it that, as women are pretty much incapable of that emotion, but last time she was in town she said "I'm sure you probably hate me by now".

In a way you Ex could be using a similier situation, she may have some emotional investment still in you, so to protect that she encourages her mates to sleep with you, to see there actions and yours, hence her mates are put on the spot and the situation is difused, especcially when she is using it in such a jokey care-free manner, remember girls have the slu* shield up so what better way to drop the fuc8 line in there, to detract her mates from going ahead with it.

Now if you was naked on a bed giving it to her up her dirt box and one of her mates walked in and she asked them to join in, it would be a different matter.

haha...she did mention several times when we were together that she might be down for bringing in some girl action. She said something about she wouldn't mind getting with one of her friends who is pretty damn hot. Another missed threesome opportunity

This is an interesting observation though.

I know she still has emotional investment. Her friend spilled the beans about that more than once. Who knows, you might be right.

 

[frivolousz21]

Yes it is and most guys do it, hence why some men get to sleep with alot of women, since most men are competing with there best mates over the same skirt, this goes back to the scarscity mentality.

that is really stupid. Why would anyone want to waste there time competing with there guys over 1 woman.

 

[ketostix]

It's hard to add anything to jonwon's excellent analysis. Off hand I'm thinking you need throw in a ringer in these groups especially group one to really get the competitve spirit going. However you can get an outside girl to be seen with you in the group should pay dividends. Maybe merge one girl from another group by getting her to come out with you and introducing her to the other group or where ever you can get a girl ringer or pivot for leverage I think would be good.

 

[jonwon]

that is really stupid. Why would anyone want to waste there time competing with there guys over 1 woman.

I see this all the time, everywhere, its mainly AFC guys who do this, i have even lost mates due to this.

I went on holiday with a mate and his mates, out of the group a guy pulls a girl and hooks up with her in a bar the next day, we where all in the bar, anyway she brings her mates and i was just sat back watching these chumps fight and compete with each other over the same girls, it was pathetic, none, not even the guy who pulled the girl slept with any of them and i did not bother chatting them up since the girls where loving the attention and validation of seeing mates compete with each other to get in there pants, i see this almost everywhere and i would say 99% of guys do it.

I fell out with the guys, when i found out from my mate one of the biggest afc guys of the group was telling my mate i was chatting his bird up, (his bird being some random chick who just happened to talk to him and talked to me the same length of time, but i was not jumping through hoops to get her attention like the other chump was, she was in essence a bore), but the need to compete with mates from a AFC's point of view is pathetic.

An average group of guys, has soon has a girl walks into the group its like tossing a bone into a pit of rabid animals, if that girl flirts with them to get them to give her the validation, like monkeys they simply do the monkey tricks all competing with each other for her.

(the group of guys consisted of very good looking guys, but they where so patheticly AFC it was painful to stick with them).

Most guys dont see this, but most girls are masters of manipulation and can get most AFC chumps giving the validation from simply tossing some covert flirt to each of them, but she is careful to not go too OTT, anyway she does not need to, most AFC jump at the first sign of attention will compete with there mates, its pathetic and at the same time rather laugh-able.

I only have a small group of real male friends, i simply find it hard going out with other guys, its almost like going out with a bunch of girls bitc*ing to each other, or behind your back, my real good mates never ever do that, if anything its a joke or laddish play, but most groups of guys i meet, when it comes to girls, it pays to keep the two seperate, with my real close mates the two come together and sometimes very well.

Hence why i suggest anyone who has afc mates who pull them down or compete with them, should get some better friends.

But this is off-topic

And i also agree if you brought in a sexy girl into that group who's your FB, that will increase there attraction in that group, well with all 3 groups and this will also show you what these girls truley think about you, in the way they interact with her.

 

[frivolousz21]

good stuff Jonwon..when I am dating again in the future...I will really need to re-read the dj bible.

is there a dj bible for the mature man? I clicked on the link up there and it didnt work.

anyways..one of the major things I notice with my afc friends compared to me...and I have one friend who borders on afc and ok and he gets by because he looks model good even though he is only 5'7" they dont care they just see his face and think he for them.

just the other night we were out for a few hours and I tried all night to get my boy Sean(6'2" thin) hooked up with this girl...and he was freaking nice...asking questions, no jokes, nothing, then there was another friend who was the same way..buying her drinks and this and that.

Now..I cant get involved right now....obviously I have other things to worry about and I dont need that. However a couple times I busted her with natural C and F..and the response was brilliant....even once she tried making fun of me going bald She bought me 2 beers that night...she may of even brought me one my friends bought her. I left it at that.

its pathetic and im sick of it...in the car I kept telling them you have NOTHING TO LOSE....dont be afraid....they are like oh we are fine dude you dont know what your talking about. I reply oh yea thats why I took countless hours reading on a website and doing field tests, boot camps and so on 3 years ago and you guys made fun of me while I dated girl after girl until I met the mother of my child and you guys have had some lucky random hooks ups between now and then.

now Im single they are still single and they still laugh when I tell them to come here.

sorry for the rant..but im sick of the chump ****...I dont bat .1000 I probably strike out 7 of 10 times..but im always willing to bat and it more fun that way

 

[jonwon]

good stuff Jonwon..when I am dating again in the future...I will really need to re-read the dj bible.

is there a dj bible for the mature man? I clicked on the link up there and it didnt work.

anyways..one of the major things I notice with my afc friends compared to me...and I have one friend who borders on afc and ok and he gets by because he looks model good even though he is only 5'7" they dont care they just see his face and think he for them.

just the other night we were out for a few hours and I tried all night to get my boy Sean(6'2" thin) hooked up with this girl...and he was freaking nice...asking questions, no jokes, nothing, then there was another friend who was the same way..buying her drinks and this and that.

Now..I cant get involved right now....obviously I have other things to worry about and I dont need that. However a couple times I busted her with natural C and F..and the response was brilliant....even once she tried making fun of me going bald She bought me 2 beers that night...she may of even brought me one my friends bought her. I left it at that.

its pathetic and im sick of it...in the car I kept telling them you have NOTHING TO LOSE....dont be afraid....they are like oh we are fine dude you dont know what your talking about. I reply oh yea thats why I took countless hours reading on a website and doing field tests, boot camps and so on 3 years ago and you guys made fun of me while I dated girl after girl until I met the mother of my child and you guys have had some lucky random hooks ups between now and then.

now Im single they are still single and they still laugh when I tell them to come here.

sorry for the rant..but im sick of the chump ****...I dont bat .1000 I probably strike out 7 of 10 times..but im always willing to bat and it more fun that way

Yes alot of men are like this, but think of it another way, it means more for you.

Yes i too try to get guys to study women more, some guys think they know what to do has its all natural, then they go out to make silly mistakes e.t.c and get chewed up by most women who simply use them for attention needs e.t.c.

I once went out with a group of lads from my work, about 9 of us, when i first seperated from my ex-wife, there where not really friends but i was trying to increase my mate quota, so i decided to give the group a try.

The first bar we went in, i saw this hot student chick give me some serious buying signals, so i went over and closed her (hooked up with her a few days later), when i came back to the group they where like:

Wow i cant believe you just did that, how can you just go up to some random girl and get her number like that?
And questions of that nature. These guys could not believe a guy can do what i did and all i did was number close a girl, i was not that suprised with there response.

Anyway, i stuck with them for the night, loving the new found attention from these guys, i was seen to be a cool guy since i could pull chicks (go figure), so near the end of the night, where in this bar and a greek girl is stood near the bar, i go up to get a drink, she gives me some buying signals, i started chatting to her and she asked for my number, i left it at that, but this actions sent these guys in mega disbelief mode, 10mins later this chick comes and finds me and asks me to spend some time with her and her mates, which i accepted, i sat with her and two other mates and had the best fun i had, had that entire night, i glanced over my shoulder now and again and the whole group of guys where talking about me and staring over with there jaw hitting the floor.

Now this is an example of serious AFC guys, out of that whole group only one guy wanted to learn what i knew and i directed him to some material, which he quickly ignored and revereted back to his old ways, he wanted to come out drinking with me, but he had learned nothing and he did more harm then good when it came to chatting up girls, it was painful to watch. (he wanted a quick fix, i.e he wanted me to pull the girls for him, but that never works, he was simply a blathering idiot when it came to women, stuff he did was gringe worthy, but you could not tell him, he really did not want to learn, he just wanted a quick fix, like most guys do).

Anyway when i got back to work, i found out these guys had made me out to be some 'player' and quickly labled me, i did not like it, since some of them where using it an derogatory manner, simply because they cant pull women and i did, well i only acted normal and tried to enjoy myself for a good night, ignored the comments, still i continued to go out drinking with them but i just did not fit in and i could see myself almost has pathetic has them if i stuck around them, there negativity regarding pulling women was toxic and i needed to get away.

Most guys are like this, i had the same thing with the guys on holiday, its rare to meet guys who dont make an issue about meeting women, to me there normal, but to a AFC they can make us feel like two headed aliens, just so they feel better about themselves.

Have AFC mates, but keep them seperate from women.

On the other hand i went out with another guy, to help each other pull, only thing he was bothered about was giving me his advice instead of relaxing or trying to test me, i hate that more then i hate going out with AFC, i aint some monkey going to jump and do tricks to please a guy or a girl, when i talk to girls i do it when i want and not to impress anyone, i quickly drifted of from this guy, he was good with women, no better then average but he was a player who brags, constantly evaluation what i did or did not do, all i did was go out with him for a drink ffs, yes these guys are really dam annoying, i only offer to help when people 'ask' its a waste of time otherwise and only builds up resentment from so called bragging players.

 

[STR8UP]

Speaking of attraction dynamic within a group, I noticed something interesting the other night.

When I was out with the AW and two of her friends the other night, I was feeling NO pain. It was Thanksgiving Eve and I didn't have to work the next day so I was out on the dance floor shaking my ass, singing to Bon Jovi, the whole nine.

I look over to the bar and see these two dudes, pretty good looking I would say, taller than me, and they were with a really hot brunette.

For some reason when I looked over I see one of the dudes look me in the eye and nod his head motioning me to dance with the hot chick they were with. I was pretty tipsy so I wasn't quite sure of what he was getting at, but it wasn't 20 seconds and this chick came over and starts dancing with me.

It was all in good fun, didn't think much of it until today actually. But today I started to wonder how THAT situation came about from the other dudes perspective. Was she a friend of his and she mentioned something about me when she saw me having a great time with three other women and he took the initiative to try to facilitate something? Was he sexing her and wanted to assert his confidence? Were they laughing at me dancing like a fool and he dared her to dance with me?

I'm telling you, this chick was fine as hell. I should have done more than dance with her for a minute, but I was pretty drunk. I guess now I will never know. He who hesitates masturbates....

 

[ketostix]

Speaking of attraction dynamic within a group, I noticed something interesting the other night.

When I was out with the AW and two of her friends the other night, I was feeling NO pain. It was Thanksgiving Eve and I didn't have to work the next day so I was out on the dance floor shaking my ass, singing to Bon Jovi, the whole nine.

I look over to the bar and see these two dudes, pretty good looking I would say, taller than me, and they were with a really hot brunette.

For some reason when I looked over I see one of the dudes look me in the eye and nod his head motioning me to dance with the hot chick they were with. I was pretty tipsy so I wasn't quite sure of what he was getting at, but it wasn't 20 seconds and this chick came over and starts dancing with me.

It was all in good fun, didn't think much of it until today actually. But today I started to wonder how THAT situation came about from the other dudes perspective. Was she a friend of his and she mentioned something about me when she saw me having a great time with three other women and he took the initiative to try to facilitate something? Was he sexing her and wanted to assert his confidence? Were they laughing at me dancing like a fool and he dared her to dance with me?

I'm telling you, this chick was fine as hell. I should have done more than dance with her for a minute, but I was pretty drunk. I guess now I will never know. He who hesitates masturbates....

My guess would be the girl noticed you and indicated to the guys she was with that she was interested in you. And the guys were probably her relatives or close friends considering it was Thanksgiving Eve.