"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Asking if a girl is a virgin.

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Its not sarcastic, it's true. You really think she's going to say 'well, I f*cked this guy with a massive d*ck and I have a STD and actually I'm a bit of a sl*t?'

STDs aside, to worry about comparing yourself to her previous lovers, and idealising a virgin as the answer to these insecurities is simply AFC.

Think before you base your life around this rubbish. [gay emoticon]
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Even if you ask, how would you know if she's telling the truth?

I don't think it matters.

Believe it or not, some women have asked me "Are you a virgin?" (no joke!).

I always try to dodge the question, change the subject, or ignore the question. But one time I couldn't do any of those things. I was stuck. So I lied. I really am, but at my age it's embarrassing so I said I wasn't. I figured I wasn't going to get lucky anyway so they'll never know. Even if I did and she found out, she'd realize why I lied.

This is coming from a guy who does his damnedest not to lie, since I believe honesty is important.
 

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Tonight she invites me over to her house and tells me no one will be there. I find it odd how she keeps giving me these cues but then again shoots me down when I go up her shirt.

Should I try again tonight or not try to and leave her guessing why I'm not doing it?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You know what, you got a life to live and if a girl is going to be on guard constantly (as opposed to a couple times) you might as well throw in the towel and start looking for girls who are more receptive on having sex/fun/being more communicative towards you.

Remember, it's your life. You get to choose what type of job you work in, You get to choose what type of education you want to learn, You get to choose what type of girl you want that will make you happy.
 

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Should I say something if she turns me down again? If so what would you say (in reality, don't give me some weird ass line that you wouldn't say but you think is the ultimate C&F ball buster)?

A quick reply would be appreciated as seeing as I gotta go to work soon and I'm hanging out with her after.
 

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I'm a bit late in the thread, but I'll say my bit anyway. It really shouldn't matter to you if she is a virgin or not...it doesn't mean a thing about the sort of girl she is, just like it doesn't matter if a guy is a virgin or has been with 50 girls, it doesn't change who you are...

Now the resistance you are getting could be for a number of reasons (like you are both pretty young, she might just not be ready) so I wont give too many specifics. When I've been in this situation I usually just do the ol' 2 steps forward, 1 step back until I have broken through the resistance. There are a lot of things you can do with your clothes on that will drive her wild. Work on kissing her, pulling back, biting her neck, running your fingers through her hair, massaging her, nibbling her ears, dry humping while moaning like a porn star...eventually she will indicate she is ready and you can dive right in
 

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no no no!

You don't ask a girl if shes a virgin. You find out by tasting it!

Seriously though, I think that would make her uncomfortable. If shes 19 or under, then it would be ok. If not, wait till she tells you. If she doesn't, just go for sex with asking.
 

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I made some progress last night. While I didn't get to take any of her clothes off, I did undo her bra and she let me caress her tits under her shirt for a good while. I also go under her pants and massaged her ass while making out.

Eventually she kept pulling my hand out of her pants and shirt but I just kept going back after a while. I'd say I made some progress.

I'm sure the next time the shirt is coming off.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Girls are weird man. Lots of them are very self concious about their bodies. I bet she is just self concious about her tits. I knew this girl one time and she used to let me see her psvvsy ALL the time, but she would never let me see her tits. I asked her how come I never get to see her tits but I do her psvssy and she said, "because I don't like my tits." I bet that is her problem.

Another thing I find weird about girls. Another girl was giving me a bj and she was fine with it, but when I went to kiss her neck, she pulled away like she was disgusted. Point being, girls make no sense.
 

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I'm sure she's just really self-concious. She'd let me fondler her bare ass more than she would her gigantic fun bags.
 

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Is twice too much/enough of her per week? I want to keep seeing her but I don't want to over do it like many guys do.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I think I'm making progress. She let me whip out one of her tits the other night and let me play with her exposed nipple. Also the other day she let me rub her cooter outside of her pants for about two minutes before pulling my hand away.

I'm starting to like her less everytime she doesn't do anything remotely sexual (*******, handjob, sex, etc.)
 
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As I stated in my first post - she is a hor!!!!
 
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Itishe, riddle me this - why does she allow sexual contact????? Because she wants sexual pleasure from anyone!!! She is a hor!!!! You are the next pimp in line - be patient!!!!! It's. errrrrrrr,she's coming!!!! :rolleyes:
 
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Just ask, "Are you a virgin?" Thats what I do when I wanna know.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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