Article: Young adults are having heart attacks more often — What’s causing it?

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The medical community is aware, you just weren’t till you read about it.
 

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Broken hearts have happened before the Pandemic too.

Again, I would have to go through each individual case, however, from that one's I've heard from the online grapevine, most of the cases were regular people who were not lonely or depressed. There was some guy who was a twin brother of a newscaster that had a sudden death covering a sport, out of the blue. There are others as well. I look at news stories all the time, and some of the victims of this have had productive and healthy lives which would not fit into the category here.

But, you did raise other confunding arguments, like long-covid, and people delaying treatment. That would make some sense in 2022 and 2023, but we are now in 2024 and think these types of excuses as well should start tapering down. If excess deaths continue long to the rest of the decade, or get worst, then eventually you can't blame long-covid or pent-up hospital demand for 2020/2021 as factors in this. But then again, Baby Boomers are a large greying population so I guess that generation subset (ie especially the unhealthy ones with comorbidities, etc...) would account for excess Pre-Pandemic deaths for the latter half of the decade.
 
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It’s been known since covid-19 first started putting people in body bags that the heart and cardiovascular system are damaged by the virus.
 

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It’s been known since covid-19 first started putting people in body bags that the heart and cardiovascular system are damaged by the virus.
Agreed. This is a good explanation of the excess deaths which happened in 2020/2021. However, it does not account for today. It's yesterday's pandemic now.
 

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It’s been known since covid-19 first started putting people in body bags that the heart and cardiovascular system are damaged by the virus.
It appears that folks that are not Type O are much more susceptible. I'm an O, and when I got COVID (or at least when I think I had gotten it :rolleyes:), it was just a mild fever, some "intestinal malperformance", and parasthesia. In fact, as I type, I think I have it again, but since I had had it, and then got the vax, and it's weakened as it's become endemic, it's quite mild.
 

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Agreed. This is a good explanation of the excess deaths which happened in 2020/2021. However, it does not account for today. It's yesterday's pandemic now.
The damage has been done - and COVID is again a thing now.
 

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Absolutely not. No fvking chance can it be the Vax.. impossible. The timing is just way off.

Besides conspiracies don't even exist.. No men or groups of men have ever conspired against a people or a nation of people's.
But the question that needs to be asked is would folks who got COVID without the vax be in worse shape than with the vax.
 

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I was thinking crappy diet first, which beExcellent mentioned above.

Also, and this is coming from probably the most pro-cannabis member of this forum, I have always been suspicious of vapes, dabs, and other consumption of solvent based extracts. They almost always have residual solvents, heavy metals, pesticides, and other unsavory chemicals in them. None of that sh1t is healthy.
This is why if I ever take THC, it is going to be pharma quality; "recreation quality" is garbage.
 

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Associating dietary calcium intake with calcification of arteries is the same as saying dietary cholesterol causes cholesterol in the arteries. We know that is not the case.

We know the cause of atherosclerosis; long term exposure of lipoprotein particles (measured by apolipoprotein B) in the blood, which crash into the arterial wall.
What really is bad is trans-fat; Crisco has killed more people worldwide than the AK-47.

A good cholesterol profile is a low triglyceride-to-HDL ratio. In fact, it is a good idea to continue to consumer animal fat so long as a statin is taken as well.
 

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Hi Pierce,
The question that Americans might ask is why despite spending more on their health care than comparable Nations,their longevity is almost five years shorter...Blaming obscure nutrients in food is not the answer....Canadians are broadly similar People but live far longer...Why?
OK, here goes. African-Americans went through a genetic bottle such that they are larger than their distant cousins in Africa. Larger people tend to have a higher ratio of body mass to organ mass, and so the organs don't work as well, and also, there are more cells, so more chances at developing cancer - all this relative to smaller people within the same genomic population - and yes, elephants don't get cancer because evolution has made that so. :rolleyes: Oh, and larger people can get REALLY LARGE with the modern junk food.

Also, biological energy (actually exergy :rolleyes:) is spent on melanin and strong sweating capacity, and Vitamin D is harder to produce relative to the level of insolation; this is why any population that moves from a tropical region to a boreal region inevitably loses melanin, while similarly, any population that moves in the other direction inevitable gains melanin, so as to protect from skin cancer.

Folks might try saying that the bad health stats for A-As is due to poverty, racism, etc., but I think even after those factors are factored out, there are the reasons I had mentioned. High blood-pressure is far more prevalent with A-As (which is why so many blood-pressure Rx commercials from the 70s & 80s featured them), and it's also the reason for higher rates of maternal health issues, like when that tennis player, who one would think was in great shape and had access to top-flight care, had a life-threatening pregnancy.
 
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Folks might try saying that the bad health stats for A-As is due to poverty, racism, etc., but I think even after those factors are factored out, there are the reasons I had mentioned. High blood-pressure is far more prevalent with A-As (which is why so many blood-pressure Rx commercials from the 70s & 80s featured them), and it's also the reason for higher rates of maternal health issues, like when that tennis player, who one would think was in great shape and had access to top-flight care, had a life-threatening pregnancy.
It’s both. When adjusted for socioeconomic factors black people are still at higher risk for metabolic disorders.

Agreed. This is a good explanation of the excess deaths which happened in 2020/2021. However, it does not account for today. It's yesterday's pandemic now.
That damage doesn’t go away!
 

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This guy with FHC has made it well over twice the age of his first heart
Was it ever confirmed he had FH? He did smoke like a chimney and have horrific eating habits… guy said he smoked a pack each morning with a dozen doughnuts!

What really is bad is trans-fat; Crisco has killed more people worldwide than the AK-47.

A good cholesterol profile is a low triglyceride-to-HDL ratio. In fact, it is a good idea to continue to consumer animal fat so long as a statin is taken as well.
The cholesterol profile you want is the three 60s; LDL of 60, HDL of 60, Triglycerides of 60. You will not get cardiovascular disease with those numbers. It will probably take statin for most people to get LDL that low. Not even low fat vegan will do it.

Trans fat is very very bad. Refined carbs are very bad. Saturated fat is bad. All three fvck with the livers ability to clear those apo-B containing lipoproteins.
 

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All we need is accurate and truthful data. Gender/Sex, Age Group, mRNA Yes/No, True Cause of Death, vs Year and the answer will be clear for us all to see. Luckily, there is truthful and non-biased data (not from the CDC, or worse Pfizer) about heart related deaths.
 

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The cholesterol profile you want is the three 60s; LDL of 60, HDL of 60, Triglycerides of 60. You will not get cardiovascular disease with those numbers. It will probably take statin for most people to get LDL that low. Not even low fat vegan will do it.

Trans fat is very very bad. Refined carbs are very bad. Saturated fat is bad. All three fvck with the livers ability to clear those apo-B containing lipoproteins.
An LDL of 60 is almost impossible.

My last numbers are:

Triglycerides: 76
HDL: 40
LDL: 103

The most important number is the ratio of triglycerides to HDL, which is measured differently in the USA and Europe (LOL, like gasoline octane?). Using the USA figures (which mine are), the ideal is below 2, which I am barely at (it's usually a little lower).
 

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An LDL of 60 is almost impossible.
A few people genetically have it that low. They will never get heart disease. The rest it requires some form of diet and/or pharmacology.

The most important number is the ratio of triglycerides to HDL, which is measured differently in the USA and Europe (LOL, like gasoline octane?). Using the USA figures (which mine are), the ideal is below 2, which I am barely at (it's usually a little lower).
HDL to triglyceride ratio is basically an insulin resistance test, which is accounted for in Apo-B (triglycerides are carried by VLDL particles which all have Apo-B). The most accurate blood marker for cardiovascular disease is Apo-B, which is not commonly tested (you’d have to request it). A good surrogate marker is the non-HDL cholesterol. If you are insulin resistant, you will have high non-HDL cholesterol, thus high Apo-B.
 

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A few people genetically have it that low. They will never get heart disease. The rest it requires some form of diet and/or pharmacology.



HDL to triglyceride ratio is basically an insulin resistance test, which is accounted for in Apo-B (triglycerides are carried by VLDL particles which all have Apo-B). The most accurate blood marker for cardiovascular disease is Apo-B, which is not commonly tested (you’d have to request it). A good surrogate marker is the non-HDL cholesterol. If you are insulin resistant, you will have high non-HDL cholesterol, thus high Apo-B.
We've talked about this before, but the Framingham heart study vigorously looked into cholesterol levels and prevalence of heart disease, etc. People with total cholesterol levels below 150 were pretty much heart attack proof. The widespread standard of having cholesterol under 200 is a strange spot because there are people in the 150-200 range who can and do have heart attacks. Granted, this is a way better place to be than say near 300 but it's not fully heart attack proof.

I had my cholesterol and blood work done late 2022, a little over a year ago, and my total was 138. My diet is very high in fiber, lots of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, etc. I also eat a lot of fat free greek yogurt, walnuts and take a couple fish oil capsules. I do eat meat, I rotate between chicken, salmon and ground bison, all of which are very low in saturated fat. I do also eat eggs with the ground bison, those are also very low in saturated fat. Outside of this, I on a fairly rare occasion eat some treat type foods but it's a very small part of my diet and I don't really worry about it when I do allow myself to eat them.

I go to the gym 3 days per week and put a lot of intense work into that. In addition to this, I go hiking and also have a physically active job, though not strenuous, where I walk a lot while on the clock. I also use the sauna a couple times per week, which is supposed to be very beneficial for your blood pressure.
 
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